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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    I dunno, I think we do that more coz we want people to understand us, as we want to understand them. It's meant to promote communication and get rid of misunderstandings.
    I get that, but, for my comment, it's the undercurrent of 'taking it personally' that was more my point, which is evidenced by the superficially sweet, but, underlying bitter responses back....

    The, tee-hee (when you know in the head, it's ASSHOLE!)

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    Amar: yes, but these are vast generalizations that I don't feel apply to every single person - so often, there is no need to qualify them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    I dunno, I think we do that more coz we want people to understand us, as we want to understand them. It's meant to promote communication and get rid of misunderstandings.
    for real...i don't do artificial sweet and despise it in others. so get it straight girl! < see there.. out in the open bitterness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    for real...i don't do artificial sweet and despise it in others. so get it straight girl! < see there.. out in the open bitterness.
    That I can admire! I like seeing balls in people. And, honesty. CaptainChick, and TinyArmy rock cuz of those traits, for me.

    LadyX, you're always one face: sweet, I wouldn't contest that.

    In general, to ENFPs, from this ENTP perspective, stop being sweet to maintain a superficiality of harmony. People are different, conflicts are inevitable....only qualification, be real. And, bring it. Good, bad, and FUUUUGGGLYYYY! And, give humanity credit for being dynamic enough to handle such fluctuations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    That I can admire! I like seeing balls in people. And, honesty. CaptainChick, and TinyArmy rock cuz of those traits, for me.
    +100000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    That I can admire! I like seeing balls in people. And, honesty. CaptainChick, and TinyArmy rock cuz of those traits, for me.
    Since most of the people referred to are women, there's a reason we don't show our balls. Metaphorically, I'm sure they have some.

    In general, to ENFPs, from this ENTP perspective, stop being sweet to maintain a superficiality of harmony. People are different, conflicts are inevitable....only qualification, be real. And, bring it. Good, bad, and FUUUUGGGLYYYY! And, give humanity credit for being dynamic enough to handle such fluctuations.
    I'm wondering aloud here -- you suggest that ENFPs present a lighter, less conflictual side to maintain harmony. This makes them less real, in your opinion. This just seems to be contradictory to an ENFPs need to always be authentic to themselves. I wonder if the ENFP being real -- really presenting their view but also not being able to help themselves with empathizing with the other's opinion comes across as less real. I don't think it is less real. The communication style just seems to be different. Perhaps for ENFPs, the need to really understand the other person's point of view and absorb it is pretty strong so what may come across as a wussy argument, avoidance of conflict and superficial maintenance of harmony is a real reflection of what the ENFP thinks. I understand it's frustrating for people, regardless of type when the person is not just putting their view out there and backing it with the metaphorical balls, I just don't think it's less real.

    It's natural that we view the world from our perspective which is the most real to us. I admire your ability to put those balls out there and go for it. That's being real for you. That's not the only reality though for other people. In fact, presenting arguments in a 'balls out' fashion could be less real for ENFPs.

    Don't try and change that about ENFPs - they don't want to grow a new pair, they have a pair that they just use differently.

    P.S. I've never used balls so much in a single paragraph. I think I need to be de-balled now. Goddess!

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    Oh wait, i meant that it can probably sound artificially sweet when you're trying to explain why you don't agree with something or when defending yourself, but it is just meant to keep the lines of communication open, I think and it's never less than authentic, at least not for my part. Bitterness only sets in, at least f or me, if those attempts are repeatedly not appreciated, and even then it's fleeting really.

    I value honesty though, so although I might be trying to be diplomatic, I won't lie or be passive aggressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ergophobe View Post
    Since most of the people referred to are women, there's a reason we don't show our balls. Metaphorically, I'm sure they have some.



    I'm wondering aloud here -- you suggest that ENFPs present a lighter, less conflictual side to maintain harmony. This makes them less real, in your opinion. This just seems to be contradictory to an ENFPs need to always be authentic to themselves. I wonder if the ENFP being real -- really presenting their view but also not being able to help themselves with empathizing with the other's opinion comes across as less real. I don't think it is less real. The communication style just seems to be different. Perhaps for ENFPs, the need to really understand the other person's point of view and absorb it is pretty strong so what may come across as a wussy argument, avoidance of conflict and superficial maintenance of harmony is a real reflection of what the ENFP thinks. I understand it's frustrating for people, regardless of type when the person is not just putting their view out there and backing it with the metaphorical balls, I just don't think it's less real.

    It's natural that we view the world from our perspective which is the most real to us. I admire your ability to put those balls out there and go for it. That's being real for you. That's not the only reality though for other people. In fact, presenting arguments in a 'balls out' fashion could be less real for ENFPs.

    Don't try and change that about ENFPs - they don't want to grow a new pair, they have a pair that they just use differently.

    P.S. I've never used balls so much in a single paragraph. I think I need to be de-balled now. Goddess!
    exactly...nice clarification girlie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ergophobe View Post
    Since most of the people referred to are women, there's a reason we don't show our balls. Metaphorically, I'm sure they have some.



    I'm wondering aloud here -- you suggest that ENFPs present a lighter, less conflictual side to maintain harmony. This makes them less real, in your opinion. This just seems to be contradictory to an ENFPs need to always be authentic to themselves. I wonder if the ENFP being real -- really presenting their view but also not being able to help themselves with empathizing with the other's opinion comes across as less real. I don't think it is less real. The communication style just seems to be different. Perhaps for ENFPs, the need to really understand the other person's point of view and absorb it is pretty strong so what may come across as a wussy argument, avoidance of conflict and superficial maintenance of harmony is a real reflection of what the ENFP thinks. I understand it's frustrating for people, regardless of type when the person is not just putting their view out there and backing it with the metaphorical balls, I just don't think it's less real.

    It's natural that we view the world from our perspective which is the most real to us. I admire your ability to put those balls out there and go for it. That's being real for you. That's not the only reality though for other people. In fact, presenting arguments in a 'balls out' fashion could be less real for ENFPs.

    Don't try and change that about ENFPs - they don't want to grow a new pair, they have a pair that they just use differently.

    P.S. I've never used balls so much in a single paragraph. I think I need to be de-balled now. Goddess!
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    Apropos to this thread is someone's signature, I can't remember whose anymore.

    "I'd rather be hated for what I am than loved for what I am not"

    I have no trouble being hated for having a different (annoying for many) style of argument. I'll even add a compulsive need for being understood to the mix.

    To other ENFPs, I've come across two types of ENFPs in my own experience in real life. This disparity is what led to my confusion regarding typing myself. One type really avoids conflict. Is this just one type of ENFP? Is this, in your opinion, a less developed ENFP?

    The other, the type I identify with more does not avoid conflict. In fact, we prefer to highlight any undercurrent of disagreement early and confront it head on in our own unique style. Is this other people's experience?

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