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    For myself, I'd say that I'm only really shy and reserved when I'm first adjusting to a situation. Once I feel comfortable, or force myself to feel comfortable, I have no problem being talkative and people sometimes mistake me for an extrovert. I guess the difference is that it really doesn't take a whole lot for me to feel uncomfortable again and then crawl back into my Ni shell.

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    well what is maturity in this case? we grow accustomed to and secure in our judgments of the situation, our ability to feel confident that our judgments are right. we employ outdated Fe channels to assume various truths, that adopt various tones, that consist of assumptions and stereotype the actual F of the world around us, the holism trapped in its individual voices trying to escape and understand itself. we rely on these in order to protect ourselves in our own semblance of security, that they protect our carefully constructed self-identity and self-defense against the threats of the world because we are afraid to let them in when we cannot possibly process them all and respond accordingly. but the impossible complexity of their voices keeps us young and allows us to become younger yet, to become greener instead of crotchety mahogany old.

    not accepting is just a cop-out for feeling incapable of understanding, for feeling tired and overrun by the complexity of the world. it gets us all and we cannot possibly contain all of the world's contradictions but yet we do and it is what we live in and what we are in fact made up of.

    infjs process these in their own ways but they do have a potential for seeing that is not purely negation but instead can recognize the complexity of existence in a specific infinitely representable interior space. its why we read crotchety old emily dickinson poems and bother with blake's coptic mysticism. something in their languages reaches an expression of clarity and awareness that transcends the languages and cultures and understandings of their times (and places).

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    I think the 'range' people see in INFJs is just because we tend to have different amounts of 'mental energy' from day to day, or even from hour to hour. I know I can start a day out great and then feel pretty depressed by the end of it for no good reason. Maybe it's because when people ask us 'what's up?' we cant really tell them because we DONT know what's up.

    Our minds aren't as straight as other types. Even our closest other type, INTJ, has a straighter mind because of how linear Te is compared to Fe. Their mental organization doesn't change as much, and if it does it is due to logical reasoning based on new information. Computer vs DNA, a person can edit a hard-drive without messy consequences while editing DNA is much less straightforward because who knows what kind of things could happen that you weren't aware of.

    Not to mention a weaker Ti could be a problem too, we can show ourselves the logic, but that doesn't mean it'll change our mind on a subject.

    Either way I hope this post makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyward View Post
    I think the 'range' people see in INFJs is just because we tend to have different amounts of 'mental energy' from day to day, or even from hour to hour. I know I can start a day out great and then feel pretty depressed by the end of it for no good reason. Maybe it's because when people ask us 'what's up?' we cant really tell them because we DONT know what's up.

    Our minds aren't as straight as other types. Even our closest other type, INTJ, has a straighter mind because of how linear Te is compared to Fe. Their mental organization doesn't change as much, and if it does it is due to logical reasoning based on new information. Computer vs DNA, a person can edit a hard-drive without messy consequences while editing DNA is much less straightforward because who knows what kind of things could happen that you weren't aware of.

    Not to mention a weaker Ti could be a problem two, we can show ourselves the logic, but that doesn't mean it'll change our mind on a subject.

    Either way I hope this post makes sense.
    Great point and it all made great sense to me. I always feel it hard to answer questions like what is going on with me or how do I feel or what do I think of something because I am always perpelexed as what is the reality!? I am aware that there are many possibilities and perspectives-but whose is right- How do I assess something properly and report something properly-my J wants to file things as good or bad- right or wrong but my N sees possibilities and wants to analyze and see the bigger picture-My N questions my J and so I am very second guessing of myself. Opinions and facts are hard for me because I can't easily seperate the two or see how others seperate them. I must investigate and search out, I am afraid to give an answer and will always ask the same in return to compare. Also I can feel everything at once, all emotions at once and it is as if I express them by letting them take turns.


    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    The INF softens up the Jness, the NJ toughens up the Fness, and the FJ makes the Iness more socially assertive.

    Boom. Puzzle solved.
    I actually found this to be on the spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    I've heard that INFJ's are the most T of the F's, the most E of the introverts, and the most P of the Judgers.

    Do you think that's true or is it that no one really understands the type?

    INFJ's do you think this of yourselves? If so, is it something that comes naturally to you or have you worked on becoming more T, E, or P?

    I welcome thoughts from everyone.
    It's definitely true for me. It took a long time to type myself because I can be very extraverted, show lots of Fe, am very logical and a lot of the time, rational, and I'm organized and structured but messy and laidback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladypinkington View Post
    I actually found this to be on the spot.
    Me too!

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    I think INFJ are incredibly mixed, its the development of their Ni/Fe dom which can go a ton of different ways because its so abstract. I am consistently being told I am a different type all the time because I don't conform to what people think a stereotypical and easy to understand INFJ is SUPPOSED to be.

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    Skyward- good summary.

    I've found this to be true for me, as well.
    I think I think more than you think I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    I think INFJ are incredibly mixed, its the development of their Ni/Fe dom which can go a ton of different ways because its so abstract. I am consistently being told I am a different type all the time because I don't conform to what people think a stereotypical and easy to understand INFJ is SUPPOSED to be.
    They seem to be thinking about smart ISFJ Entype4s (They're out there) when they think like that. This is where many ISFJs mistype themselves and INFJ. This also adds another illusion of 'complexity' in the INFJ type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    I've heard that INFJ's are the most T of the F's, the most E of the introverts, and the most P of the Judgers.


    Sorry...

    Maybe the E part is right.
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