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    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC939 View Post
    Here ya go:
    Woman, you are seriously my hero, feeding my Ne like that
    Ok..I'm going to be greedy and request one final thing: inferior Si for ENFPs in the other thread. Do so and you have my undying love
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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    It might depend on age groups, but I know my father (INTP) says he solves a lot of problems from memory and doesn't need to use a lot of logic always. In contrast, as an ENFP, I hate relying on previous results or systems. I notice INFPs share this trait with INTPs also when it comes to people situations.

    The other time I really notice Si in INxPs is their ability to collect large amounts of information on things. You might think this is a given, but ask an Si inferior type about doing it.
    I'm not a huge "tertiary temptation" person, but for me, I think Si can be more of a "hey, this problem/situation looks familiar. Instead of analyzing this situation from the ground up, let's use the same template/model here too and see if it fits, so I can spend more time on this new problem."

    It's kind of like taking a shortcut.



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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    It might depend on age groups, but I know my father (INTP) says he solves a lot of problems from memory and doesn't need to use a lot of logic always. In contrast, as an ENFP, I hate relying on previous results or systems. I notice INFPs share this trait with INTPs also when it comes to people situations.

    The other time I really notice Si in INxPs is their ability to collect large amounts of information on things. You might think this is a given, but ask an Si inferior type about doing it.
    That's interesting..I mostly use solutions I've used before when it comes to things. People, I'll tailor new solutions for, as I feel confident that I can. But with things I will go for the tried and tested coz I'm not sure I can actually pull it off otherwise. If truly pressed for time though, I'll wing it, and see what kinda mess I make.

    As for the gathering information...I thought that was typical of Ne? I mean..remembering and pulling from the database is Si but gathering, really? I tend to gather all kinds of information to then process and use to build patterns on. Just to have a solid foundation, a working knowledge and then later on put my own twist on it, or crossreference it with other subjects, ideas etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    The other time I really notice Si in INxPs is their ability to collect large amounts of information on things. You might think this is a given, but ask an Si inferior type about doing it.
    I dunno, my ENFP music history professor knows a lot. Although, he's not all about memorizing. He still knows a lot though. I know another ENFP who loves history. History might be the most information-dense subject there is.

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    I'm doing research on my ancestry; I also use habit as a method of not losing important things like my ID or my apartment keys. I think I also still have a decent portion of the periodic able of elements memorized...
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    Steph's explanations were spot on. Thanks for sharing those!

    I related to alot of what Nunki said. Si shows its head in three forms with me.

    1) As a rewind tape to review old conversations and experiences. Usually highly detailed, and sometimes I notice things in memory that I missed in the moment. It's freaky when it's something like, "Oh wait a minute... Frank was there?!?"

    2) Establish habits and routines. I'm not happiest when I'm a slave to them, but I need them to relax a bit so I can get lost in my Fi world.

    3) Looking at social constructs as a giant machine, with each part like a gear. A desire to understand the roles and places of people and things. Valuing the appropriateness of my actions in a greater societal context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Steph's explanations were spot on. Thanks for sharing those!

    I related to alot of what Nunki said. Si shows its head in three forms with me.

    1) As a rewind tape to review old conversations and experiences. Usually highly detailed, and sometimes I notice things in memory that I missed in the moment. It's freaky when it's something like, "Oh wait a minute... Frank was there?!?"

    2) Establish habits and routines. I'm not happiest when I'm a slave to them, but I need them to relax a bit so I can get lost in my Fi world.

    3) Looking at social constructs as a giant machine, with each part like a gear. A desire to understand the roles and places of people and things. Valuing the appropriateness of my actions in a greater societal context.


    Especially the reflecting on past situations/conversations thing. Sometimes, when I relive things later, they feel more real then and I get more out of it. I can focus a lot better. The present can seem surreal and overwhelming sometimes.

    I personally find my Si works in conjunct with Ne. It can kind of anchor Ne from floating off into the clouds.

    I posted this in a thread about how my Ne + Si works together (I bolded the Si parts):

    Well...Ne Si probably influences how I dress, eat/cook, and design. I must have a variety of clothes to choose from, and I get bored with the same combination over & over. I can often look at clothing and tell what material it is based on what I already own. I might know if something is authentic vintage or not by looking at it. In a more literal sense, I like to combine innovative and quirky looks with classic, tried-&-true elements.

    As for food, I can tell when something is made differently from how I'm used to it. I can sometimes figure out how to make something w/out a recipe by experimenting with different options until I recreate those flavors. I may come up with a new dish by connecting it to a possibly unconnected past experience & applying a similar concept. I don't like to eat the same thing too often. Variety is the spice!

    For design, it's the same thing....new approaches and ideas, tempered by an understanding of what has been effective in the past. In school we were taught that you have to learn the rules of design so you'll know how to break them, and that sounds very Ne Si to me

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    That part makes a lot of sense to me.

    As for routine... I don't really establish a routine, not consciously, in fact, I'd rather avoid it. Which is not to say that I don't fall into a routine, but activities that become a routine will generally end up being meaningless, dull and unpleasant for me.
    So I shake things up. Doing things that are unordinary and strange. Even simple things, like the alarm clock - I don't have a set time for it to ring, I set it to a different time each night, the way I take go to school, the time I go to sleep, etc. There are also stranger and probably silly things, that I don't care to mention.
    But it all still feels like shaking up the routine, which would mean that the routine is there, but compared to most people, I probably at least appear less routinous.

    I seriously dislike holidays.

    I ran out of ideas, will add later maybe.
    I do this also...including the alarm clock thing
    I will take a different route to get to the same place. I have 2-3 coffee shops I frequent, so I don't get stuck going to the same one. My regular habits have enough variation so that I don't get burnt out and bored. Although, as Udog mentioned, I will go on autopilot when I just want to space out and indulge Fi fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post

    Ok..that's creepy. I completely relate to that. the Te thing makes me feel like a complete failure, though I *am* getting a better grip on it these days.
    I'm improving a little bit too. Reading self-help books (like The Now Habit) has been a real help, and I expect my problems to leave altogether once I have external motivations. At the moment, there's no pressure whatsoever and only some very distant rewards, so in a way it's hardly a surprise that I have trouble with Te.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith
    Question: so how do you stick to an Si routine with Ne not shutting up? I do the multitasking thing as well btw, very much so. And once I get an obsession/curious about something there is no stopping Ne..and out the window goes the routine. For that matter, spending time basking in Si is blissfull but it makes me restless after a while.
    Basically, there are certain things I have to do each day or my self-esteem (Fi) will suffer. Sometimes I'll spend many minutes and even hours wasting my time, and all the while a pressure to do something productive will build up inside of me. At some point this pressure becomes unbearable, and so I relieve it by getting down to business. As a natural side-effect, Ne (and Se) get put on hold or at least channeled into whatever activity I'm doing. It sounds like this would lead to an irregular schedule, but somehow everything falls into a general routine without any real thought on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Ya know, if you were male, I'd swear you were flirting with me


    LOL, all this tertiary / inferior stuff is like a tangle of weeds to me. I sometimes want to watch an old movie to relax because I liked it before, and suppose that's Si wanting to recapture the feelings / experience of the first time. But it's seldom as enjoyable. And I used to rewind conversations etc. ad nauseum to place the proper meaning and context. But now, not so much. Only when I've said something out loud that I thought in my head but generally would keep to myself. Like a couple of weeks ago, when I told the used car salesman I wanted to beat him up for selling a car to my daughter that had only snow tires. (He responded by telling me not to promise him a good time like that.) Yep, the filter fell off for that one. And I couldn't BELIEVE I said it. Thought about that one for a while.

    I am in my 40's now, so I could be developing my tertiary / inferior functions. ?? When is that supposed to "happen"?

    I am just bouncing around the ol' ENFP / INFP thing, as is Amargith. Me, going towards ENFP again; Amar, towards INFP if I am not mistaken.

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    ^Yup..sounds about right. I hate the feeling of that pressure building up though, and somehow it doesn't seem to be enough routine in my case that it provides...on the other hand, too much routine just drives me up the walls. It's hard to balance out, I find.


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