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    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahNounBlah View Post
    I'm an Fe user and I express my emotions selectively. If I feel something that I think would detrimental to express (like anger), I will keep it inside. If I feel something that I think could be helpful or productive or bonding (like happiness), I will express it.


    People aren't robots, so this isn't always accurate, but it's true 80% of the time.
    Agree. I think somewhere in the back of everyone's mind they should have the words "function preferences" repeating . It's also good to remember functions are another set of common traits/preferences, just like MBTi types. Most people don't score 100% on any function in function tests, so they may have a different selection of the avialable traits in a group to someone else who uses the function strongly. I was thinking MBTi would go well as an RPG: pick a type and get more points in certain areas to use when selecting traits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Oh so now I'm an Fe dom? Since when? Since Ragingkaysuki said so?

    Excuse me everyone. xNFJ coming through here.
    Why change the P when you can change the F?

    Anyways, I don't believe there are any hard and fast rules on the functions that people use. People use all the functions differently at different times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Why change the P when you can change the F?

    Anyways, I don't believe there are any hard and fast rules on the functions that people use. People use all the functions differently at different times.
    Because Fe is FJ, not FP.

    I do have some Fe. But it isn't my dominant function by a long shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Because Fe is FJ, not FP.

    I do have some Fe. But it isn't my dominant function by a long shot.
    Even so, ENTPs have Fe as their tertiary function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Yeah, I think if there's a big difference between keeping feelings from public knowledge (which is exactly what OrangeAppled is claiming that she does) and rejecting thoughts or feelings because they are disagreeable to the mind. The disagreement here is over the meaning of the words "suppress" and "repress."

    I'm confused, though, because it seems like emotions, by their nature, seek expression. So keeping them in, for whatever reason (so that you can go over them while you're alone, or so that you can forget them, or whatever), requires a certain amount of control. The emotions must be forced down and out of sight if you wish to keep them from public expression. That control is a form of repression. I guess the difference is that, in one situation, the person only represses the feelings long enough for them to get away and deal with it on their own. In the other, the person permanently represses the feelings. So it all boils down to a temporal distinction.

    IDK, as an introvert, so much of my world is internal that externally expressing emotions doesn't make them any more real.
    There is a control on the outside, but internally I am still feeling the emotion. It's doesn't hide away internally, only visibly to others.

    This is why if I am pushed (positively or negatively), then I might express the emotion. If I cannot fully escape, then there are subtle indications of my emotion. This is why Fi-doms might seem moody and prickly at times. There's probably just a lot on our minds and emotions we're processing, and you're interrupting us
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    IDK, as an introvert, so much of my world is internal that externally expressing emotions doesn't make them any more real.
    There is a control on the outside, but internally I am still feeling the emotion. It's doesn't hide away internally, only visibly to others.

    This is why if I am pushed (positively or negatively), then I might express the emotion. If I cannot fully escape, then there are subtle indications of my emotion. This is why Fi-doms might seem moody and prickly at times. There's probably just a lot on our minds and emotions we're processing, and you're interrupting us
    But your use of the word "control" belies the fact that you do suppress/repress emotions in the presence of other people.

    I never said that not making your emotions visible means that you're repressing them permanently (making them go away forever, never to feel them again). You're only repressing them temporarily so as not to make them visible to others. But there's still repression going on, even if you do visit your feelings again later in a safer, solitary environment. Don't tell me, as an INFP, that you've never cried to yourself before. Or felt the urge to paint or write or sing or dance your feelings away. Emotions demand expression, so when they're not expressed immediately (as in the case of an Fi user in the presence of others), it means that they're being repressed (held down, controlled).

    The fact that you do repress emotions around others doesn't mean that you're the type of person who tucks your feelings away somewhere deep inside your subconscious never to visit them again. I know that's the common meaning that we get when someone says, "he represses his emotions." But when we look at the act of keeping your emotions hidden from others, it is clear that this involves repression to a certain degree. It seems like you are hung up on the negative connotation of the word "repress."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I never said that not making your emotions visible means that you're repressing them permanently (making them go away forever, never to feel them again). You're only repressing them temporarily so as not to make them visible to others. But there's still repression going on, even if you do visit your feelings again later in a safer, solitary environment. Don't tell me, as an INFP, that you've never cried to yourself before. Or felt the urge to paint or write or sing or dance your feelings away. Emotions demand expression, so when they're not expressed immediately (as in the case of an Fi user), it means that they're being repressed (held down, controlled).

    The fact that you do repress emotions around others doesn't mean that you're the type of person who tucks your feelings away somewhere deep inside your subconscious never to visit them again. I know that's the common meaning that we get when someone says, "he is the kind of person who represses his emotions." But when we look at the act of keeping your emotions hidden from others, it is clear that this involves repression to a certain degree. It seems like you are hung up on the negative connotation of the word "repress."
    I dont agree. To say someone represses their emotion insinuates theres some effort involved in holding the emotion back, as if on part of the super-ego or whatnot. I know from personal experience that it isnt repressed so much as it simply lingers inside a little bit longer. It needs more processing.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    This is why Fi-doms might seem moody and prickly at times. There's probably just a lot on our minds and emotions we're processing, and you're interrupting us
    EDIT: In the fable 'the tortoise & the hare', is the turtle being 'repressed'? No. It's just slower to get to the finish line.

    Im not sure this really has much to do with the Fe/Fi distinction anyway.

    How about this as an example of Fe/Fi difference: youre sitting outside with a group of friends in someones backyard. All the sudden a skunk walks into the middle of the group. Someone using more Fe would be in tune with the fact that everyone is probably nervous because its common knowledge that its bad to get hit by skunk spray. Someone using more Fi might be in tune with the reasons why its bad to get hit by skunk spray (but less in tune with the fact that everyone else around him/her is equally as nervous). Does this example work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    On my current reasoning:

    Fi judges previously learned knowledge.
    Fe judges the current situation.

    Don't think this means one cares about the situation and the other doesn't.

    Fe+Ni understands from their previously learned knowledge, then judges the current situation with a focus on people.

    Fi+Ne understands from the current situation, then judges their previously learned knowledge with a focus on people.

    Fe+Si looks in detail at their previously learned knowledge, then judges the current situation with a focus on people.

    Fi+Se looks in detail at the current situation, then judges their previously learned knowledge with a focus on people.
    Meh. I don't buy it. I think it's a matter of directionality, not temporality. My understanding in a nutshell is that Fe judges itself by societal (or at least peer group) norms, and Fi judges society by self-generated idiosyncratic norms

    For example, I made a bad conservative when I thought I was one, since I was always disagreeing with inherited wisdom and social consensus. I'm full of original moral philosophies, which I've gradually realized isn't entirely normal. An ENFJ would probably be much better at conservatism than I was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    But your use of the word "control" belies the fact that you do suppress/repress emotions in the presence of other people.

    I never said that not making your emotions visible means that you're repressing them permanently (making them go away forever, never to feel them again). You're only repressing them temporarily so as not to make them visible to others. But there's still repression going on, even if you do visit your feelings again later in a safer, solitary environment. Don't tell me, as an INFP, that you've never cried to yourself before. Or felt the urge to paint or write or sing or dance your feelings away. Emotions demand expression, so when they're not expressed immediately (as in the case of an Fi user in the presence of others), it means that they're being repressed (held down, controlled).

    The fact that you do repress emotions around others doesn't mean that you're the type of person who tucks your feelings away somewhere deep inside your subconscious never to visit them again. I know that's the common meaning that we get when someone says, "he represses his emotions." But when we look at the act of keeping your emotions hidden from others, it is clear that this involves repression to a certain degree. It seems like you are hung up on the negative connotation of the word "repress."
    Maybe. But I don't subjectively experience it that way. Usually, it seems more that I transform my expression of an emotion than that I repress the feeling (even temporarily); for example, calmly explaining to someone that they violated a social boundary (instead of blowing up on their rude ass), all while the volcano is erupting inside regardless.

    There are times when I have to totally suppress a feeling's expression, such as when I make such a funny joke in an imagined dialogue that I have to fight for a good twenty seconds to keep from exploding into huge belly laughs and making everyone think that I'm crazy. However, it's so difficult precisely because it's not the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    Yeh, he did infer that with some of the other comments. Was just saying suppression might have been the correct word to describe what we do.
    Indeed; it was the subtlety of the word that I appreciated when I reflected on the statement.

    The confusion in this thread is locked into the interpretation of the word suppress. Suppress does not have to imply burying or denying or even repressing. It means simply to keep inside oneself in this context.

    And that's why I liked it.

    I do feel my feelings - there's no repressing that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    How about this as an example of Fe/Fi difference: youre sitting outside with a group of friends in someones backyard. All the sudden a skunk walks into the middle of the group. Someone using more Fe would be in tune with the fact that everyone is probably nervous because its common knowledge that its bad to get hit by skunk spray. Someone using more Fi might be in tune with the reasons why its bad to get hit by skunk spray (but less in tune with the fact that everyone else around him/her is equally as nervous). Does this example work?

    I doubt it. I can be very other-oriented, anticipating others' needs. It's just that I do so by creating unique personal values through solitary contemplation and then projecting them out instead of internalizing social norms and then projecting them out. I'm not necessarily right or wrong more often; but I'm right or wrong in more unusual, unexpected ways.
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