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    Default Is "Feeling" as RATIONAL as "Thinking"?

    Typology terms can be pretty confusing.


    It seems people often confuse the "Feeling" function with plain old feelings.

    This leads to a bias that "Fi" and "Fe" are basically irrational, and therefore, somehow inferior to "Ti" and "Te."


    So-- is "Feeling" a rational function, like "Thinking"?

    Or is it an irrational/non-rational function, like "Sensing" and "Perceiving"?

    Is it emotion-based, or values-based?


    Well......

    Let's consider this quote from Carl Jung*:

    "It is true that feelings, if they have an emotional character, are accompanied by physiological effects; but there are definitely feelings which do not change the physiological condition. These feelings are very mental, they are not of an emotional nature. That is the distinction that I make.
    Inasmuch as feeling is a function of values, you will readily understand that this is not a physiological condition. It can be something as abstract as abstract thinking. You would not expect abstract thinking to be a physiological condition.
    Abstract thinking is what the term denotes. Differentiated thinking is rational; and so feeling can be rational in spite of the fact that many people mix up the terminology."


    This is echoed by Isabel Briggs Meyers in her book, Gifts Differing:

    "A basic difference in judgement arises from the existence of two distinct and sharply contrasting ways of coming to conclusions. One way is by the use of thinking, that is, by a logical process, aimed at an impersonal finding.
    The other is by feeling, that is, by appreciation--equally reasonable in its fashion--bestowing on things a personal, subjective value."


    This idea is also put forth by Lenore Thompson, in her book, "Personality Type: An Owner's Manual.:

    "Unlike Sensation and Intuition, which encourage us to keep our options open and to acquire more information, the Judging functions prompt us to note how things usually happen and to organize our behaviors accordingly. This is why Thinking and Feeling are considered rational functions."


    Conclusion???:

    Well, according to Carl Jung, Isabel Briggs Meyers, and Lenore Thompson -- "Feeling" is a "mental" process, and is "not of an emotional nature."
    It is "equally reasonable in its fashion" to "Thinking", and is considered a "rational" function.



    So......

    Does this make sense to you?

    Is it confusing?

    Do you agree? Disagree? Prefer different definitions?


    Please share your thoughts/feelings about the elusive "Feeling" function.
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    dunno what kind of answer you are looking for but I found this interesting. Limbic system hehheh.

    maybe we "feel" with our heads and "emote" through our hearts.

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    Feeling is defined as a value based function; it filters out the emotions that do not fit within the model. F & T are considered 'rational' (or judging) functions because they are used to make a decision and interpret the data. S & I are considered 'irrational' (or perceiving) functions because they are used to gather information.

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    In typology, the third letter in each type refers to how we interpret information about the world around us. People with a Thinking type interpret information in terms of logic and ration. People with a Feeling type interpret information in terms of how it relates to people's opinions and viewpoints.

    The word "feelings" does not ONLY mean emotions. It can also relate to opinions, viewpoints, etc.

    Really, if you're that confused about the meanings of words, it's not that hard to find a dictionary and look it up.

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    In life feelings seem very rational, but are person dependent, where thinking logic seems to be more external worldly based. You can use thinking logic to rationalize a feeling and you can use a feeling to override logical rationalization using past events to rationalize feelings.

    Fi feelings seem to be based on past events, Fe seems to be more based on trying to use the current to create certain feelings going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFJAGgernaut-B View Post
    Really, if you're that confused about the meanings of words, it's not that hard to find a dictionary and look it up.
    Isn't that a bit harsh?
    I mean... a lot of people figure things out by asking others. Not all are the bookworm type. And he clearly has done some reading, but currently has conflicted ideas about the subject, so he initiated a discussion about it. Isn't that why we're all here for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFJAGgernaut-B View Post

    Really, if you're that confused about the meanings of words, it's not that hard to find a dictionary and look it up.
    This illustrates a gross misunderstanding of the philosophy of language and words as tools of communication. The OP has a worthy question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    This illustrates a gross misunderstanding of the philosophy of language and words as tools of communication.
    Agreed.
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    Yes, I agree with the OP. Regarding MBTI, some people need to repeat over and over until it clicks: "Feeling does not equal emotion."
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    Feeling is subjective judgment, Thinking is objective judgment.
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