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    Quote Originally Posted by whimsical View Post
    At least until school starts back up.
    It could also have a lot to do with this. School can be very stimulating with all the people you have to constantly interact with. Being very introverted during the summer could be like an evening out period.

    Yeah, I'm extroverted but I got lotsa Introverted friends and experience :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    It could also have a lot to do with this. School can be very stimulating with all the people you have to constantly interact with. Being very introverted during the summer could be like an evening out period.

    Yeah, I'm extroverted but I got lotsa Introverted friends and experience :P
    That's what I'm taking it as, a break period. I just finished working full time for about 8 weeks and this is my last week before I move out to university, so, it's sort of a vacation before all the work starts back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Well obviously; there's a difference between preferred functions and strongest functions.

    A natural INFJ will always prefer Ni, but should strive to balance it with Fe in order to achieve the best results.




    Allow yourself to indulge more random thought patterns and trains. Verbalize them out loud to others before they are completed products! For INPs especially, Fi/Ti won't let the person release thoughts from his mouth until it's had time to double check for consistency--unfortunately this leaves you missing a lot of opportunities for great conversation, jokes, ideas, etc. that can gain you a lot of advantage in the right situations, because you're so focused on internal consistency.

    Basically, if you want to improve Ne, learn to accept and embrace failure as a means of learning. You must stop being afraid to be wrong.

    Excellant. I have noticed this now you mention it. I find the problem is either coming off like a weirdo! Or more frequently being too socially anxious for my Ne to even be working at all and only socialising in the realm of the mundane and unimaginative. Of course I have had good moments and unfortunately a drink or two can resolve the problem. I would prefer not needing it for obvious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Well obviously; there's a difference between preferred functions and strongest functions.

    A natural INFJ will always prefer Ni, but should strive to balance it with Fe in order to achieve the best results.
    That's it though. What exactly does best result mean?
    I'm skeptical of this idea of becoming a balanced individual. It runs with theory but it appears to ignore all other functions. Can you truly claim that jack of all trades is definitely a better approach than specialization of one?

    I wrote the above comment because of the constant "Over developed Ni = Underdeveloped Fe" idea that kept being pushed forward. You might not have intended as such, but it's coming across as a rule rather than a general correlation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    That's it though. What exactly does best result mean?
    I'm skeptical of this idea of becoming a balanced individual. It runs with theory but it appears to ignore all other functions. Can you truly claim that jack of all trades is definitely a better approach than specialization of one?
    No, that's not really what I said. A jack of all trades would be all eight functions--that's not necessary. "Best result" means whatever you want it to mean--that you get what you need out of life.

    You should balance the top two functions because:

    --If you have no working E function (Ne, Se, Te or Fe) you cannot interact with the outer world,
    --If you have no working I function (Ni, Si, Ti or Fi) you cannot stop and reconsider your options internally,
    --If you have no working J function (Ti, Te, Fi or Fe) you are completely indecisive and can't make decisions on things or get anything done, and
    --If you have no working P function (Ni, Ne, Si or Se) you are always stubborn, inflexible and incapable of taking in new information/reevaluating when necessary.

    This makes a lot more sense when you throw out Keirsey's temperaments and consider temperaments in terms of EP, IP, EJ and IJ (or just ignore temperaments entirely, if that helps.)

    You see, INFJ and ENFJ are simply two sides of the same person. It's a bad idea to simply decide you don't need the auxiliary function because that will burden you with two of the four problems listed above--the two primary functions are supposed to coordinate and balance each other out.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    I wrote the above comment because of the constant "Over developed Ni = Underdeveloped Fe" idea that kept being pushed forward. You might not have intended as such, but it's coming across as a rule rather than a general correlation.
    In that case, I'd suggest interpreting it as the general correlation that it obviously is, as is everything within typology. No offense, but it's always Sensors who make this interpretive mistake, and I just don't really bother fixing my wording to appease them anymore. I don't understand why some people feel it necessary to point out things like this, as if everyone doesn't already know--like the guy who shows up in religion/philosophy debates with "WELL GUYS JUST REMEMBER ALL OF THIS IS JUST YOUR OPINION AND IT ISN'T FACT!"--wow, REALLY? THANKS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    No, that's not really what I said. A jack of all trades would be all eight functions--that's not necessary. "Best result" means whatever you want it to mean--that you get what you need out of life.

    You should balance the top two functions because:

    --If you have no working E function (Ne, Se, Te or Fe) you cannot interact with the outer world,
    --If you have no working I function (Ni, Si, Ti or Fi) you cannot stop and reconsider your options internally,
    --If you have no working J function (Ti, Te, Fi or Fe) you are completely indecisive and can't make decisions on things or get anything done, and
    --If you have no working P function (Ni, Ne, Si or Se) you are always stubborn, inflexible and incapable of taking in new information/reevaluating when necessary.

    This makes a lot more sense when you throw out Keirsey's temperaments and consider temperaments in terms of EP, IP, EJ and IJ (or just ignore temperaments entirely, if that helps.)

    You see, INFJ and ENFJ are simply two sides of the same person. It's a bad idea to simply decide you don't need the auxiliary function because that will burden you with two of the four problems listed above--the two primary functions are supposed to coordinate and balance each other out.
    I've got no problem with the above.

    In that case, I'd suggest interpreting it as the general correlation that it obviously is, as is everything within typology. No offense, but it's always Sensors who make this interpretive mistake, and I just don't really bother fixing my wording to appease them anymore. I don't understand why some people feel it necessary to point out things like this, as if everyone doesn't already know--like the guy who shows up in religion/philosophy debates with "WELL GUYS JUST REMEMBER ALL OF THIS IS JUST YOUR OPINION AND IT ISN'T FACT!"--wow, REALLY? THANKS!
    It's a common sensor mistake huh?
    No. It's my nature to call out on these sort of thing because of the confusion that it may cause to people. People don't actually know whether it's meant to be taken as a rule of thumb or a rule. Si Fe Ti Ne as ISFJ is not a general correlation, but an MBTI rule. Whether it correlates with reality is a different matter. How can people really know whether over developed dominant = under developed auxillary is a rule of thumb or an MBTI rule? I honestly don't mind that these are your ideas and theories about how it all works. I know that you have quite an extensive knowledge about the whole thing.

    But I resent the fact that it you present your opinion in a manner where it appears to be shoving "true knowledge" down peoples throats. If there wasn't any of this confusion, why the hell does conflict between posters even on this thread seem to exist?

    "You have under developed Fe" - despite the person claiming otherwise.
    "You don't understand the theory" - because it didn't match perception.

    On other threads you tried pulling the same tricks with BlackCat and Evan. A tendancy to think that other people don't understand, when they clearly do have knowledge of function theory.

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    I'm very introverted as well, so this thread made me think. I've realized that the reason why I'm introverted is because I'm a perfectionist, so I even go through the things I want to say in my mind over and over again to make sure they're interesting or relevant to the topic or something. But doing this only makes me more nervous and then I end up not saying anything at all.

    So I believe that you're "too much" of an introvert when things like this happen regularly to you; you honestly want to be more social for yourself and not to please others, yet your introversion constantly impedes you from doing the things you want. And this has been happening to me for nearly my entire life...

    I really like your advice simulatedworld: "Verbalize them out loud to others before they are completed products."

    It sounds so easy, but doing it is like... terrifying. But I'm going to try to do this more.
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    Now does anyone get physical headaches from being around people? I don't mean people who are annoying you, but your best friend gives you a headache being around. For me, headaches come faster if you are a stranger or annoying me than if we are friends. I do enjoy people regardless of the headaches that come, I just need a large amount of time away from people to relax and get rid of the headache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    It's a common sensor mistake huh?
    No. It's my nature to call out on these sort of thing because of the confusion that it may cause to people. People don't actually know whether it's meant to be taken as a rule of thumb or a rule. Si Fe Ti Ne as ISFJ is not a general correlation, but an MBTI rule. Whether it correlates with reality is a different matter. How can people really know whether over developed dominant = under developed auxillary is a rule of thumb or an MBTI rule? I honestly don't mind that these are your ideas and theories about how it all works. I know that you have quite an extensive knowledge about the whole thing.
    Nothing in typology is a solidly consistent rule. We're working in inherently inductive information here, hence the reason your comment is both unnecessary and irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    But I resent the fact that it you present your opinion in a manner where it appears to be shoving "true knowledge" down peoples throats. If there wasn't any of this confusion, why the hell does conflict between posters even on this thread seem to exist?

    "You have under developed Fe" - despite the person claiming otherwise.
    "You don't understand the theory" - because it didn't match perception.
    Not sure what else to say when a person openly describes himself as too introverted and describes almost exactly the most common symptoms of Fe underdevelopment...this is called intuition; it's the process of reaching conclusions without precise or concrete data. Suffice it to say this one was pretty obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    On other threads you tried pulling the same tricks with BlackCat and Evan. A tendancy to think that other people don't understand, when they clearly do have knowledge of function theory.
    Uh huh, and then BlackCat PM'd me to ask more about my thoughts on the matter because he thought what I said made sense.

    If someone is going to list a bunch of reasons why he's extremely introverted and ask for a typological explanation as to why, then I'm going to give him the one that typology says would most likely be the answer. He blatantly contradicted himself by describing weak Fe, and then declared that he didn't have weak Fe--this indicates a probable lack of comprehension in the theory, because it openly contradicts itself.

    Which you'd know if you had the background in theory. You need to read into more than just the literal surface meaning, here, or you'll gain nothing from it.
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