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    Default INFP variants -- Ne dominant vs. Fi dominant

    OK, I'm trying to really understand myself.

    I see mbti as a useful tool (I know it's just a tool, and not something set in stone), but it's not really helping me because there are some things that don't quite make sense.

    I test as INTP and INFP. I also relate to certain aspects of the descriptions of both. My closest friends end up being INTP's (because I usually end befriending the other quirky loners) but when I encounter NF types, I can relate to them in ways that I can't with my NT friends.

    I think i might be an INFP, but two things are bothering me:



    1. I don't relate to the INFP stereotypes at all.

    The stereotype is either

    a) Fluffy bunnies who fart cookies and rainbows

    or

    b) Whiny, emos wallowing in a puddle of tears.

    Both of these stereotypes are Fi related in some way, and my Fi just doesn't seem so strong. I know that some people are only joking when they mention these stereotypes, but they are so frequent, I wonder if people actually start to believe them ?



    2. I think that Ne is my dominant function.It seems like I use intuition in place of Fi in many occasions. For example, when I listen to my favorite music, it can take me away to an impressionistic moonlit dreamland, and it creates this wonderful sensation in me. But I'm not so much concerned with the music's emotion but its mood/atmosphere/the fantastic dreamscape that it transports me to.


    Can I just be an INFP with dominant Ne and a much weaker Fi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplesunset View Post
    OK, I'm trying to really understand myself.
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    Can I just be an INFP with dominant Ne and a much weaker Fi?
    No, because if your primary instinct is to use your introverted feeling first followed by extroverted intuition in an unfamiliar setting, then you might still use Ne, but it takes place after Fi is used.

    If you preferred Ne first in an unfamiliar setting, then you would be an ENFP. I suppose you could alternate between and really be both though if you are close on the extroversion/introversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    No, because if your primary instinct is to use your introverted feeling first followed by extroverted intuition in an unfamiliar setting, then you might still use Ne, but it takes place after Fi is used.

    If you preferred Ne first in an unfamiliar setting, then you would be an ENFP. I suppose you could alternate between and really be both though if you are close on the extroversion/introversion.

    Ha, I am most definitely I. My highest scores are I and N (100% N always).

    It's the T/F axis that creates the ambiguity. I come out as either a weak T or a weak F, depending on the test I take.


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    Little Sticks, you seem to be in a similar position as I actually, since you put yourself as INtP. I tend to come across as too cold, analytical, logical with NF's, while with NT's my ability to understand and take emotions into consideration is baffling. Although the more emotional NF types baffle me as well.

    Maybe there should be a website for INXP's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplesunset View Post

    Maybe there should be a website for INXP's...
    Well, since NT - NF 'conflicts' are central to this place, this may be the place you're after. - meaning that those frequent conflists point to an affinity rather than a true distate, imo. Thinker and Feelers need each other.

    As far as INFP stereotypes, ignore them. Some talk to fairies, some drink bourbon and have tatoos; there may even be a few who do both.
    Anyway, a well balanced person will have strong T and F, so maybe you're more balanced than you realize, which is a great thing for you.

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    What is Fi to you? You seem greatly mistaken in your understanding of it. The INFP stereotypes are just plain awful.
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    You can take the cognitive processes test to see how each of your functions stack up. (linky)

    And yes the INFP descriptions are usually waaaay off.

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    I test INTP a lot also, and I feel this way too about some aspects of the INFP profiles, and many other INFPs have expressed that frustration. I actually like the INFP profile, but I felt some deficiency in not being "nice" enough for it....then I understood the difference between Fi and Ti.

    First, know that Fi does not equal emotion, but it's a value based thought process that takes into account emotions, whereas the Ti the INTPs posses involves a more objective analysis.

    If you haven't, read:

    The Introvert of Feeling Type

    The Introvert of Thinking Type

    Have you tried a cognitive functions test? That may help you see how the different functions work and what is likely your dominant function. I like this one below, because the questions almost serve as explanations for how the functions work.

    http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/as...velop_old.html

    Being very imaginative in response to music (or anything) sounds like any NF.

    And finally, from Jung's Typology:

    Personality: The Individuation ... - Google Books
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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    If you read these two descriptions (from bestfittype.com), I guarantee you will relate to one of them more than the other :

    INTP

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    Great idea for a thread, I know I've explored INTP before in the same vein (there are a few dominant types I've run across -- one is the Ti+Ne, one is Ne+Ti, and one is Ti+Si). Ne-focused INTPs look and play differently than Ti-focused INTPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    If you read these two descriptions (from bestfittype.com), I guarantee you will relate to one of them more than the other :

    INTP

    INFP
    I like these two.

    These two descriptions seem well balanced compared to some of the others that I've read. I identify with everything in the INTP one, but the ethics focus of the INFP one also rings very very true to me. While I come across as unemotional myself, I've always been cognizant of the feelings (emotions,ethics,values) beneath the surface in my human interactions. If I had to choose one at gunpoint, it would be the INTP, but the INFP one....aaargh

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Great idea for a thread, I know I've explored INTP before in the same vein (there are a few dominant types I've run across -- one is the Ti+Ne, one is Ne+Ti, and one is Ti+Si). Ne-focused INTPs look and play differently than Ti-focused INTPs.
    Absolutely. The INTP's I get along with seem to be the Ne-dominants as opposed to the Ti dominants. We can really go wild with our theories, and ideas. Just conjuring them up and bouncing them off each other. One Ne-dominant INTP also shared my interest in taking nature pictures (not just a hobby, but a genuine passion) and Romantic poetry (Keats, Shelley, Wordsworth etc.)


    To OrangeAppled:

    Thank you. I feel that it's my misunderstanding of Fi that is at the heart of my dilemma. Fi you say deals with values primarily, but it just happens to take emotion into consideration. Yet from reading online forums, it seems like many INFP's when they talk about their Fi, make it seem like a very emotion-driven thing as opposed to a ethics-driven one. I suppose these people have misunderstood Fi themselves ?

    Take astro-physics for example. My passion for the subject has little to do with Ti, but more about the mood/atmosphere/feeling? that is conjured inside when I reflect about the the awesome (awesome as in as in awe inspiring, not the Californian surfing dude awesome) beauty of the universe. Could this be a form of Fi too ?

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