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    INFJs seem attracted to ENTPs and I find this strange. Apart from the usual attraction to Ne and seemingly similar Fe/Ti languages.

    Perhaps INFJs like telling and inventing people's stories so much that an empty and malleable ENTP is like a canvass for them.
    Maybe they get a kick out of trying to fill the inside of an ENTP with good proper filling.
    Maybe they are trying to use ENTPs as a vehicle to deliver their personal visions to the outside world.
    Maybe INFJs are afraid of how the world crushes their vision and find looking at it through Ne safer and more manageable.
    Maybe to some extend some INFJs wish they would be more in touch with the world (Ne) and more orderly inside (Ti).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    INFJs seem attracted to ENTPs and I find this strange. Apart from the usual attraction to Ne and seemingly similar Fe/Ti languages.

    Perhaps INFJs like telling and inventing people's stories so much that an empty and malleable ENTP is like a canvass for them.
    Maybe they get a kick out of trying to fill the inside of an ENTP with good proper filling.
    Maybe they are trying to use ENTPs as a vehicle to deliver their personal visions to the outside world.
    Maybe INFJs are afraid of how the world crushes their vision and find looking at it through Ne safer and more manageable.
    Maybe to some extend some INFJs wish they would be more in touch with the world (Ne) and more orderly inside (Ti).
    Maybe your post and intrigue stems out of emotional turmoil from a love triangle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    Maybe your post and intrigue stems out of emotional turmoil from a love triangle.
    Triangles are boring. It's a hexagram

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    Triangles are boring. It's a hexagram
    Go on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourplay View Post
    Go on..
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    Maybe ENTPs like to think of themselves as good individuals. A parent aux Fe enables them in this regard.
    Maybe ENTPs would like to have complex inner selves and welcome the INFJs filling them with their dreams and expectations. Or perhaps see themselves through the INFJs' eyes that make them appear more complex.
    Maybe ENTPs want a long term vision and INFJs provide it with their Ni.
    Maybe ENTPs need to feel loved and approved of and the INFJs provide some of that. Socionics supports that ISFJs provide it better, maybe because they can also assist with the anima(us) Si and ESTPs can help INFJs with Se. If you prefer to believe any of these theories is your choice.

    Maybe ENTPs like to think they have deep, lasting feelings and INFJs enable that self-perception. IMO there is a lot of communication issues as each sees their own parent in the other but possibly overestimate his/her decision making authority in the person themselves. Esp. at the usual first relationships age 20-30. An INFJ will analyze and Ti is evident but not as autonomous like ENTPs' Ti in its decision making authority. At the same time a stronger connection with Ti in ENTPs might mean that their feeling of self at that stage of their lives is more strongly attached to "Truth and clarity" than to Fe's "Harmony and others". Vice versa in many younger INFJs who would sacrifice concise speech for the sake of others' emotions. The great differences in what is meant and what is understood appear hidden in the apparent similarities.

    Maybe ENTPs need to talk about themselves and INFJs are more willing to listen than most others. They are introverts with strong interest in other people.
    Maybe ENTPs don't want to think about their past and maybe they see in INFJs a ready-made connection between the past and the future (Ni).

    I don't want to argue. Don't bother. Just throwing in some perspectives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    OK.

    Maybe ENTPs like to think of themselves as good individuals without bothering to search for deep answers. A parent aux Fe enables them in this regard. INFJs are enablers.
    Maybe ENTPs would like to have complex inner selves and welcome the INFJs filling them with their dreams and expectations. Or rather see themselves through the INFJs' eyes that make them seem deeper and more complex.
    Maybe ENTPs would prefer to have a long term vision and a plan rather than jump from one possible future to another and are using the INFJ's Ni.
    Maybe ENTPs need to feel loved and approved of more than most types and the INFJs provide that.
    Maybe ENTPs like to think they have deep, lasting feelings and INFJs enable that illusion.
    Maybe ENTPs need to talk about themselves and INFJs are more willing to listen than others.
    Maybe ENTPs don't want to think about their past because it scares them and INFJs give them the ready-made connection between the past and the future (Ni).

    I don't want to argue. Don't bother. Just throwing in some perspectives.
    Maybe if you replace ENTP with Male and INFJ with Female the same reasoning still applies, backwards even. /typology stereotypes
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    Maybe if you replace ENTP with Male and INFJ with Female the same reasoning still applies, backwards even. /typology stereotypes
    I can't see your reasoning applying to INFP male and ESTJ female. ISFP males with ENTJ female.
    I'd guess the possible codependency there will be different.

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    I see alot more conflict and dynamic issues between P/J relationships then I do P/P relationships.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    I can't see your reasoning applying to INFP male and ESTJ female. ISFP males with ENTJ female.
    I'd guess the possible codependency there will be different.
    That's because you're looking at people through your typology monocle, and it's rather narrow perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    That's because you're looking at people through your typology monocle, and it's rather narrow perspective.
    isnt this thread about typology? if not then we should replace INFJ/ENTP with the actual peoples names.
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