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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post

    Scenario
    : your mother wants you to design the landscaping for her new house. She says you can do it however you like, and use whatever materials/flowers/plants/constructions that you want. How would you go about accomplishing this? What would be your first considerations? How would you choose which flowers/plants to use, and where to put each of them?
    Te: "Aw, jeez, Ma, what do I know about landscaping, can't we just hire someone?"

    One then locates one or more landscapers for quotes, arranges times and negotiates costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    Because of my begging, incorrect spelling, use of third person, and the puppy dog face?
    yes, yes, yes and yes. also the icky use of baby talk. *shudder*

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Okay, well since it seems universally impossible for people to perform what the OP requests and simply imagine a concrete scenario that demonstrates Ti and Te usage, I'll try and provide one myself.
    Not impossible, just didn't care enough to make the effort. Good example, btw. I think the color combination choice would actually be Fe though, and one of the last things I would consider.

    Lol, I think if I was using Te, some sort of grid or spreadsheet would be involved, as well. And there would be some conversation about the amount of plants that could fit per square foot while allowing adequate space for the roots. This would never cross my mind ordinarily, as I just realized while looking out at my own pathetic patch of soil which is jammed with overgrown plants in one spot and completely bare in the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Te: "Aw, jeez, Ma, what do I know about landscaping, can't we just hire someone?"

    One then locates one or more landscapers for quotes, arranges times and negotiates costs.
    Yeah, you're probably right. Only an NTP would have the gall to think they could learn enough about the subject in a short enough amount of time to successfully undertake the project. And only an NTP would be motivated by design and problem solving for its own sake, regardless of what the problem concerns (flowers and such, which would normally seem a bit boring to me).

    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Not impossible, just didn't care enough to make the effort. Good example, btw. I think the color combination choice would actually be Fe though, and one of the last things I would consider.
    That's what I figured. And thanks. About the color thing: the way I see it, the purpose of this type of landscaping is mostly aesthetic, so figuring out which ones look best would be an important consideration. Also, I find it fairly stimulating to use color theory to judge which color combos will be naturally pleasing to the onlooker. But you're right, that's probably Fe.

    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Lol, I think if I was using Te, some sort of grid or spreadsheet would be involved, as well. And there would be some conversation about the amount of plants that could fit per square foot while allowing adequate space for the roots. This would never cross my mind ordinarily, as I just realized while looking out at my own pathetic patch of soil which is jammed with overgrown plants in one spot and completely bare in the other.
    I know, I used to try and grow some small vegetables and herbs, and my little garden space was all disorganized like you describe. And overgrown/un-manicured. It would definitely not occur to me to plan out spacing. I didn't even think of it when I was thinking of what an extroverted thinker might do, haha.
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    Hahaha, yeah - there is one spot where the sun shines brightly between all the bushes and you must know that I planted like 20 sunflowers in that one spot. It looks like hell. And to make matters worse, they are not uniform - some are the really tall ones (that are getting very eerily freaking tall) and the rest are short, fat monsters. The rest of my "garden" is bare, except for the few odd plants that keep springing up, which I've apparently forgotten that I planted. The whole area is just taunting me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Hahaha, yeah - there is one spot where the sun shines brightly between all the bushes and you must know that I planted like 20 sunflowers in that one spot. It looks like hell. And to make matters worse, they are not uniform - some are the really tall ones (that are getting very eerily freaking tall) and the rest are short, fat monsters. The rest of my "garden" is bare, except for the few odd plants that keep springing up, which I've apparently forgotten that I planted. The whole area is just taunting me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Okay, well since it seems universally impossible for people to perform what the OP requests and simply imagine a concrete scenario that demonstrates Ti and Te usage, I'll try and provide one myself. I'll even throw in Fe and Fi for comparison purposes. These may not be right, so someone correct me if I'm totally off.

    Scenario
    : your mother wants you to design the landscaping for her new house. She says you can do it however you like, and use whatever materials/flowers/plants/constructions that you want. How would you go about accomplishing this? What would be your first considerations? How would you choose which flowers/plants to use, and where to put each of them?

    Te:
    I'm not sure how a Te user would go about it. Maybe they'd be first and foremost concerned with the type of budget possible for the project, and plan a good balance between purchasing quality plants and the labor/materials it would take to plant them. They may also project how much the upkeep would cost in future years, and decide on the plants that require the least maintenance and resources to keep healthy through the seasons. They might even have extended plans for what to do if adverse weather conditions, such as flood, drought, snow, or ice, threaten the future life of the plants.

    Fe:
    (And then maybe an Fe user would choose the types of plants that they knew their mother liked best. Or at least, given material restraints, they'd be concerned with choosing, among the possible options, the ones that were most pleasing to their mother.)

    Fi:
    (And I don't know what an Fi user would do. Maybe pick the plants that they have fond memories attached to? Or pick from among the possible plants based on how much they appeal to them personally?)

    Again, these might be wrong, so feel free to correct any part that seems off the mark.
    I would expect that Fe would look at the plants planted by the neighbor to help determine the most normal plants to be seen in the neighborhood. You would not want to plant something totally bizarre that would stand out drastically. Fe would buy the most routine plants, plant them in an way that is visually pleaseing and not offensive, but would likely pay attention to the recognized rules for planting plants in that area. (more SFe)

    K may not be far off on Te. How much time and money do I have to do this task? Can I do it myself or do I outsource? What would be most efficient? What steps need to be taken to plant the bed properly? First enrich the soil, second layer the bed, third, add support rails and so on. (more STe)

    Fi buys all the really odd plants, sticks threm in way too close a space, doesnt want to weed them as it is sad to kill the plants, and then tries to save plants which should be thrown in the trash. Then it lets them all grow like crazy till there are massive mounds of flowers of every color overtaking the house. (more NFi)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post

    Scenario
    : your mother wants you to design the landscaping for her new house. She says you can do it however you like, and use whatever materials/flowers/plants/constructions that you want. How would you go about accomplishing this? What would be your first considerations? How would you choose which flowers/plants to use, and where to put each of them?

    Ti:
    <very interesting!>

    Te:
    I think you took a good stab at it. My thoughts:

    First, define operating parameters:
    What is the timeline? What is the budget? What is the desired level of effort, and where does this fit in priority to other things? How long do I have to do this? Then I'd need an overreaching mission statement: Why am I doing this, and what do I want to accomplish? All those questions are interlinked, as the amount of time I have may influence my overall objective, and vice versa.

    Then I create a plan.

    1) Understand where I am now, aka understand the land. Walk through the area and create a diagram of the yard. Bonus points for a true to scale gridsheet.
    2) Understand where I want to go. This is where the above questions need to be answered.
    3) Understand how to get there. Aka, FEED ME DATA! This is where I'd start asking people I know (or at a landscaping shop) questions about what I need to do and what traps I need to be aware of. Once I have that info, I'd supplement that with internet searches, etc.
    4) Put it all together into a plan. Using everything, I can then make decisions and turn my information into a step by step action plan.
    5) Execute plan, analyze that things are going well, and make adjustments as necessary.

    Another example of Te is how I'd use objective data to feed Fi. So if a statue cost $500, and I have an operating budget of $2,000, I ask myself, is this thing worth 25% of my total budget? If I purchased a less expensive $300 statue, what could I do with the extra $200? Fi then makes the subjective call.

    Fi:
    Fi is used to answer the subjective questions above. For example:

    Why am I doing this? Because my yard is a mess, and I want to be proud of my yard.

    What do I want to accomplish? I'd want my yard to be 'relaxing' and 'welcoming'. Understated, with perhaps a couple of elements of flair to give it personality. ... at that point, Te would take over and gather information to discover what options are available, as Fi subjectively determines if each option works towards that goal.

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    Hahaha, my Fe is going "I don't want people to think I'm a slob" or "that's the weird house to avoid on Halloween, kids".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
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    I will answer how I would personally go about doing it (which I think is Ti). I would first do some research and find out which plants grew best in the type of climate/soil conditions afforded by the location of my mother's house. I might also analyze the condition of the soil to determine whether it has any insect/other problems that need to be fixed before planting anything. I would then analyze the location of the house in relation to the sun, so that I could know where I could put different plants based on their specific sun requirements. Also, I would analyze the level of the land, so that if it's uneven, I can level it off, or build some sort of contraption to drain the flooding water if it rains. Don't want the plants to be drowned from a light rain. Then, I would figure out which combination of plants would be optimal (i.e., which ones cannot grow near each other, if any, and which color combinations would be most pleasing against the color of the house).

    ...


    Fe:
    (And then maybe an Fe user would choose the types of plants that they knew their mother liked best. Or at least, given material restraints, they'd be concerned with choosing, among the possible options, the ones that were most pleasing to their mother.)
    As for the Ti description --right on! I would do that. I know I would. In a scenario like this where long-term success would outweigh my desire to do short-term pleasing, I would definitely plan things out meticulously. If I could include things she likes --great, but I'd be more concerned that it was successful in the long run. Good call Orangey.

    Ti takes apart and analyzes... ?


    Te puts together and organizes... ?


    Ti schematics vs. Te construction... ? Figuring out what makes it tick vs. Making it tick
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Hahaha, my Fe is going "I don't want people to think I'm a slob" or "that's the weird house to avoid on Halloween, kids".
    So-lacking Fe utterly-I always have the crazy ass yard.

    In michigan I had this 150 long front yard and this tiny 900 sq ft house.

    I tore up the grass and planted fifteen tomato plants in the front yard. I then planted four more in an old wheelbarrow. It was a tomato forest and eventually the plants were wider than the front of the house. All around the house were plants and random patches of petunias. I also put a rock garden in the back and even more tomatoes there.

    I also built my own christmas lawn animals but that is a whole other story.

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    Check this out. It is a sample project plan. This is what Te likes to do the best I can see.


    Sample project plan

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