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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekeh Mayu View Post
    9's definitely repress their emotions instead of not feeling them. I have read before that disintegrating 9's can become Passive-Aggressive after long periods because of bottling up emotions;
    however, Schizoid is usually mentioned as a potential Personality shift in 9's.

    In a 4, Avoidant/Schizotypal has been pointed out in books as a path in their personality. So, they may not be 'assertive'. Discerning the assertivity(making up this word) of a 4 best be judged by their instinctual variant (SX, SO, SP) and whether connected more to Enneagram type 3 or 5.
    Both a 4 and a 9 are within the Withdrawn Triad.
    4's do usually have their own subtle ways of expressing their moods though (which may or may not be assertive).
    I'm a 4w3 and fairly assertive. My variant is SP, SX, SO.

    "INFPs who are relying on their Intuition this way (Defensively) usually take one of two directions. Either they become permanent seekers - good at many things but disinclined to stick with any for long - or they become somewhat passive, unable to articulate what they want but dissatisfied with what they're doing." - Personality Type: An Owner's Manual by Leonore Thomson
    First, I apologize in not giving the full quote.
    But anyhoo, let us assess, students. The latter in the quote relates to 9 behavior I would assume. While the former, I find difficult to interpret - because it seems more 5 behavior.
    As Extraverted Intuition is likely how INFP's relate to the world, know that to use it defensively, as such, the INFP would have to be in the grip. Probably to be driven in such by their inferior function, Inferior Thinking (I think). So, mayhaps, we should clearly define what the four different INFP functions are first; then try and interpret how each function might turn out differently (or be used more often) for a 4 and a 9 on the Enneagram.

    The reason why we must define the four functions of this INFP personality is because:
    A) People are more often to misidentify as E-type 4 then 9. Think of the name 4 is usually given, 'Artist'. Both, and all, can be creative; but as the name implies and can be mistaken. (INFP may be 9 as much as 4.)
    B) If we can define each function for people to look at, then identify what they use or have developed. Their experience may be easier to share. (Introverts do not necessarily show themselves at face value as an Extrovert; so they may not identify with the Primary Function.)
    I'm pretty sure I'm a 4w3 because I ALWAYS type as 4, except once or twice I got 6. I even seriously considered 6, because I was so paranoid about "mistyping" as 4. But after going through all that, I'm pretty sure I'm a 4. I'm definitely not a 9, but I once had someone tell me that "marmalade.sunrise" had a 9 vibe to it. Okay.

    INFPs do seem to be one of the most confused types though. ^^; (Don't kill me)
    I won't kill you, but I don't get that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    9w1.

    Or 5w4, not sure yet.
    Yes, the plot thickens. And your MBTI? (sorry I could probably search to find it, but perhaps you can post it ...)

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    My tendencies; 1, 4, 5... Unsure of the wings, but I can definitely relate to these descriptions.


    Type One: The Reformer
    The Rational, Idealistic Type: Principled, Purposeful, Self-Controlled, and Perfectionistic

    Ones are conscientious and ethical, with a strong sense of right and wrong. They are teachers, crusaders, and advocates for change: always striving to improve things, but afraid of making a mistake. Well-organized, orderly, and fastidious, they try to maintain high standards, but can slip into being critical and perfectionistic. They typically have problems with resentment and impatience. At their Best: wise, discerning, realistic, and noble. Can be morally heroic.


    Type Four: The Individualist
    The Sensitive, Introspective Type: Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental

    Fours are self-aware, sensitive, and reserved. They are emotionally honest, creative, and personal, but can also be moody and self-conscious. Withholding themselves from others due to feeling vulnerable and defective, they can also feel disdainful and exempt from ordinary ways of living. They typically have problems with melancholy, self-indulgence, and self-pity. At their Best: inspired and highly creative, they are able to renew themselves and transform their experiences.


    Type Five: The Investigator
    The Intense, Cerebral Type: Perceptive, Innovative, Secretive, and Isolated

    Fives are alert, insightful, and curious. They are able to concentrate and focus on developing complex ideas and skills. Independent, innovative, and inventive, they can also become preoccupied with their thoughts and imaginary constructs. They become detached, yet high-strung and intense. They typically have problems with eccentricity, nihilism, and isolation. At their Best: visionary pioneers, often ahead of their time, and able to see the world in an entirely new way.
    My Fi tends to shift to Ti at times, as well as my P and J,(When my creativity slows down)... So that might be why I got what looks to me as two odd variants for and INFP...?
    ... They say that knowledge is free, and to truly acquire wisdom always comes with a price... Well then,... That will be $10, please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Yes, the plot thickens. And your MBTI? (sorry I could probably search to find it, but perhaps you can post it ...)
    xkcd!












    ...or INTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    How E9 reflects in different types is very interesting to me. It's essentially the same behavior, but often created by completely different mental processes.
    definitely. infp isfp obvious correlations with 9. i think infps are more often 9w1 and the isfps i know are often 9w8s.

    what i don't have a fucking clue on is how an infj can be an e9. i know of no real-life examples, and can't really comprehend what it would look like behaviorally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Disagree. The behaviors may appear Fe oriented, but the cognitive process I use to get there is very much Fi oriented. I've always scored very low Fe on cognitive tests, and have yet to find a description of it I strongly relate to.
    definitely, i agree 100% with this. nf types are empathetic in different ways. Fe works outwards-inwards, Fi works inwards-outwards. Fe calculations are on the outward environment, Fi weighing is internal events, Fe doesn't store internally like Fi, it just improves its literacy and its shortcuts to understand things, its theoretical framework, its social instincts, its language, its semiology. it doesn't keep EVERYTHING like Fi does, nor does it organize its inner world based on an attempt at inherent F coherency. the tension for nf Fe users is when Ni and Fe don't align at all, whereas Fi users have to get their Fi right and use Ne to make good and positive connections to the world, attachments, that will bring them out and lift them up and allow them to find new pieces of the inner puzzle/struggle/story.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    9w1.

    Or 5w4, not sure yet.
    you seem more 5w4 to me. a little too biting for a 9w1, their profuse apologies when they are doing nothing wrong, etc. they each can seriously withdraw. 5w4s on the whole tho are much more miserly, do not give freely, temper expectations to maintain inner freedom as much as possible. 9s give and give until they're overdrawn much more often. 9s would be more passive aggressive and anger issues, 5w4s would be more just go cold, hardened exterior, etc. 4w5s are more capable of expressing emotions across the gamut, assert themselves more on the strength of their feelings than their sense of epistemological mastery (like a 5 would). we want to be certain our shit is worked out and impenetrable before we are ready to say go.


    udog, i'm also wondering if you know of any infp 4w3s? i do know some entps that are this type, proust i think was an infp 4w3 according to guesses, but i don't have a good sense of this.

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    The last test I took told me I was 5w4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    definitely. infp isfp obvious correlations with 9. i think infps are more often 9w1 ...
    More INFP 9 wings than 4 wings? No I don't think so; at least not in my experience. I seldom meet INFP's in the first place, never mind INFP 9 wings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    The last test I took told me I was 5w4.
    I tested 5w6 once. That was entertaining.
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    Basically 9's avoid unpleasant things, and 4's experience them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    More INFP 9 wings than 4 wings? No I don't think so; at least not in my experience. I seldom meet INFP's in the first place, never mind INFP 9 wings.
    the quotation said that my experience with ixfps was that 9w1 was more frequently correlated with infp and 9w8 was more frequently correlated with isfp.

    altho it is also true that i do know far more 9w1 infps in real life than 4w5s. i know 6 infp 9w1s and 2 infp 4w5s (very possibly a third).

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