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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrielle View Post
    Why would everyone else have to stay on the mountain if the rope cannot hold all 5 people and I choose to get off the rope in the first place?

    Why should I have to cut the rope instead of, you know, get off the ladder?

    Why don't the rescue people know how much weight the ladder can withstand?

    Why can't they come back for me in a second trip?

    Too many holes in the situation!
    I have all of the same questions and more -- refuse to make a decision until I have the information. Also, I just can't understand how the rescuers will leave the decision to me who does not know anything about the rescue situation versus taking this decision themselves.

    I would imagine that if such a decision was made - it'll likely be women and children first (I like when my gender suits me). Alternatively, they would leave the fittest people behind and take away the ones most in need - also likely children and less fit/healthy/sick....I'd be okay waiting for the helicopter to go back to base and come back. It makes no sense that it wouldn't be able to do that at all. If others were leaving, I'd be left with their food and supplies. Alternatively, if the helicopter couldn't take me and a few others, rescuers would have the good sense to drop off food and water packets and blankets or thermal packages to help us survive until the next trip.

    The idea of being allowed to get on the ladder and then cut yourself off is just foolish. Just stay back, as advised.

    Sorry - sacrifice without real meaning or need is not honorable to me, it's foolishness, best saved for martyr films that I will ignore during my walk down the video store aisle. That's not how I'd like to LIVE or be remembered. I'd rather come up with a really innovative way to get everyone out, extend the ladder/strengthen it or survive for the days needed until the next pick-up.

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    Cut off the rope, let them live, no questions asked. Die an honorable death, I can't think of a better way.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    My observations:

    SJs: Most (but not all) answered the question at face value. This is probably due to a willingness to stick to the rules, even with a hypothetical question. The majority of those who chose to "cut" were not choosing death, though. They thoroughly believed that the rescue group would come back. And if the rescue crew had an SJ leader, this suggests they actually would. It would not occur to them to give up on a life out there. Also, the SJs saw the stupidity in cutting the rope at all. They would just let go.

    NFs: Also thought cutting the rope was stupid and asked a lot of questions. One was willing to jump unless pregnant, which is interesting. Talk about thinking it through, who would even think of that? NFs wanted to know who was on the ladder, and displayed a willingness to knock off people they harbored a hatred towards. They also wondered why they would have to sacrifice themselves, why they had to be the hero. Suggestions were made regarding rope order (fittest would be in last place), which would increase chances of survival should the worst happen. None seemed to question the fact that the rescue crew wouldn't come back (correct me if I'm wrong... I'm unwilling to read the entire thread again). Perhaps NFs have seen enough of humanity's dark side to expect such things. "We all have feet made of clay" is supposedly an SP type saying, but maybe that's also true of NFs.

    NTs: Immediately picked at holes in the scenario, requiring them to be filled in, only to be defied by a work around of some kind. When their problem-solving was discouraged and they were urged to answer the question at face value, they said the question was pointless because any question that attempts to measure moral fiber is all talk, we all think we would act one way, when we would actually have to be there in that moment to find out what we would do in reality. NTs showed a lot of avoidance regarding knocking others off (in my opinion), though they didn't disregard it as a possibility in the heat of the moment. NFs actually seemed to be more aggressive in that manner, claiming that they would be willing to leave someone else on the mountain if it was someone who deserved life less than themselves. One NT claimed they would make sure all of them stayed so that they could kill them off, take their clothes and use them to insure their survival. I think this was a demonstration of their ability to work through the situation using only cold logic, not to be taken at all seriously.

    SPs: The STPs wanted to know what gear they had and chances of survival. Picked at holes in the hypothetical situation. Stated that they wouldn't be there in the first place. One said he'd make the whole group stay, since it's easier to survive within a group (he didn't seem to be considering them as potential sources of nourishment). The SFPs also questioned the situation. One said they'd stay if they knocked another guy down for food to survive until the rescue crew came back. Another said they wouldn't be on the bottom in the first place and they'd basically do whatever it took to survive. All SPs questioned the stupidity of the crew in one form or another for the most part, except Jeffster, who yelled something rather random in the thread and then didn't say anything further. Once the clarifying questions had been answered and the problem-solving was through the thread became boring and irrelevant due to the SPs coming to the exact same conclusion as the NTs regarding questions about morality. This may be due to the fact that only STPs replied afterward.

    NFs, you've really surprised me. By my potentially incorrect observations, you'd be the scariest people to climb a mountain with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffronsocks View Post
    Plus, if I froze in a crazy position I could convince later generations of.... something!
    Heh, that's actually a pretty neat idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyWench View Post
    NFs, you've really surprised me. By my potentially incorrect observations, you'd be the scariest people to climb a mountain with.
    Yeah, it sorta scared me as well. I have this theory that NFs are more reluctant to sacrifice themselves in major ways because they feel they are regularly sacrificing themselves in smaller ones for people every day... but I could be completely and utterly wrong in that. Frankly I have no idea, but it was interesting to read different peoples' responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyWench View Post
    NFs, you've really surprised me. By my potentially incorrect observations, you'd be the scariest people to climb a mountain with.
    Lol

    Moral of the story, if you ever go trekking make sure the NFs love you and consider your life valuable or they'll likely take the opportunity to cut your throat when disaster strikes.

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    draw straws. only the first 3 go. then the second 2 can go later.

    the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Lol

    Moral of the story, if you ever go trekking make sure the NFs love you and consider your life valuable or they'll likely take the opportunity to cut your throat when disaster strikes.
    Love or hate, NFs will do it to the fullest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyWench View Post
    None seemed to question the fact that the rescue crew wouldn't come back (correct me if I'm wrong... I'm unwilling to read the entire thread again).
    It was brought up in the first response (by Kyrielle)!
    I think several posts throughout mentioned it...
    The NFs were finding all kinds of holes in the situation also....
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    I figured it would come back/there would be another chopper...

    Quote Originally Posted by Faine View Post
    Yeah, it sorta scared me as well. I have this theory that NFs are less reluctant to sacrifice themselves in major ways because they feel they are regularly sacrificing themselves in smaller ones for people every day... but I could be completely and utterly wrong in that. Frankly I have no idea, but it was interesting to read different peoples' responses.
    It's an interesting theory. Fixed so I can agree with it ... So much effort expended in everyday life for others... but the core is made of steel. I don't know if I would try to save myself (typically NF - it would depend 100% on my feelings towards my fellow mountaineers) but if I did I wouldn't feel bad about it.

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