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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    That doesnt do the trick for me, cause socionics has got an infp too. Therefore assuming that would defy the original logic of the concept. Just doesnt do the trick for me. In a subjective manner I agree with you, but I want to understand what they said on the paper. And if I wont find out soon, I am pretty sure I am gonna dumb all concepts, concentrating on what I know again

    They just think differently about what J and P mean. If I read Socionics I find it helpful to just forget about MBTI and use the letters like ELI and such. I simply don't try to compare to MBTI, because it is two different systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    They're consistent in that they both add up to the same types. If you read the cumulative INFj profile, you will have little doubt that what they're describing is INFJ. Confusion only arises when one knows about functions and tries mapping one on to the other.
    Ya I know that. I know aswell that you cant give people functions or anything.

    I think I cant explain to you what my problem is, I am like in need of a theory to be coherent and to make sense, so I can accept it. If someone i.e. says: there is communism and their is capitalism. And then he says the combination of em both is the best social form, cause everyone on its own sucks, I can understand that.

    But in typology terms there is no name for a combined system of mbti and socionics, its only communism and capitalism. I now can say, I am gonna pick out the best of them and merge them to that degree they fit with my reality. Which is prolly the only healthy thing to do. But when it comes to things like for example the INFJ and F issue, you cant merge it.

    Everything after that would be real psychology and empathy and such things and my problem is just, I cant graps it cause I just cant. I dont have the ability to make that much compromise, I need to see a pattern behind things.

    And yeah thats prolly why I should have never started to thing about the shit in the 1st place. Only thing thats left to me now is to say: ok things are that way, you have on the one hand yourself who is as a Fi type very protective and loyal about his feelings and you have on the other hand the Fe type, who is more concerned in producing comfort for others.

    And then I look at my infj and I see her going on rambling about alot of people but then on the other hand enjoying their company in being a good host. Its like she knows them both Fi + Fe and thats prolly true or not cause I lack the understanding of the function.

    You see, my thoughts have became erradic. Cause I will not understand the type systems any further, cause now I reached a dead end with logic. Meaning I know either settle on the things I am good at or start trieing to understand the type system again and again and again.

    I have decided on staieing with the things I can do, its just it bugs you, if you notice, you have reached a dead end cause your abilities are insufficient.
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    Thanks for your answers tho. I think tho, this is a problem I have to better figure out on my own first. Running in circles is a bad thing at all and then if you want to squeeze even more input into it you will gonna shoot yourself in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I now can say, I am gonna pick out the best of them and merge them to that degree they fit with my reality. Which is prolly the only healthy thing to do.
    If that helps assuage your cognitive dissonance, do it

    But when it comes to things like for example the INFJ and F issue, you cant merge it.
    You don't have to. Because in the two systems they are described in similar ways. So this...

    Only thing thats left to me now is to say: ok things are that way, you have on the one hand yourself who is as a Fi type very protective and loyal about his feelings and you have on the other hand the Fe type, who is more concerned in producing comfort for others.
    is not needed. Call what INFJs use Pi or gooeyness if you want. All roads lead to Rome, or the reason why INFJs are INFJs instead of INTJs.

    There is also the thought that many INFJs (and other types) use both Fe and Fi (in MBTI). So that could be a problem you're running into as well.

    I have decided on staieing with the things I can do, its just it bugs you, if you notice, you have reached a dead end cause your abilities are insufficient.
    Ha. I don't think this has anything to do with your abilities. Many people are confused on the Socionics/MBTI conflict.

    Here, have a hug

    Or a beer. I know you love those even more.

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    One thing about a lot of us here is that we want to find some system to understand ourselves, other people and how it all fits together and maybe that's just something that's impossible. Human nature won't fit logical systems.

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    Thanks, you know me too well
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    One thing about a lot of us here is that we want to find some system to understand ourselves, other people and how it all fits together and maybe that's just something that's impossible. Human nature won't fit logical systems.
    Ya that's a thing I yet have to learn in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Ya that's a thing I yet have to learn in life.
    I have trouble with it too.

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    Ok But now lets continue writing silly shit in the porn forums, I am feeling embarassed already by this thread
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    I just planned to myself on my way to the gas station to get new beer, one day in the next two days I am gonna come for you over the ocean to visit you and I am gonna bring my INFJ with me . That will be a huge undertaking involving a lot of precious ressource planning but when it happens and it will happen !, we gonna meet somewhere and discuss those things here in person again
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