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    Default Why an ENFP would be successful in the military.

    I know Wonka in particular is always puzzled by my career choice, and I thought I'd take a moment to list the reasons why I think an ENFP would actually be well suited for the army.

    It's true that my ideal thoughts don't always mesh well, or at all, to that of the military mind-set, which gets me in trouble a lot because I can't comprehend some of the rules and standards they have set out. Even so, here's why I think ENFPs would do well anyways:

    1. The structure of it all. I've been forced to learn time management, how to keep my areas of operation sanitary and to a standard, how to accomplish and finish goals I set out to do (if not only because I'm forced to do them lol) etc. The things that I think ENFPs on here tend to complain about like never being able to complete projects or keep up routines like working out and such would help be resolved with the military's strict procedures.

    2. The forced recognition of different thoughts and lifestyles. You HAVE to work with people you don't like or don't even appreciate, people that are going to be above you and people you have to learn to cope with. There's a huge dose of reality given to what, for me, was a very idealistic and imaginary world. You learn to swallow your pride, prioritize your battles, and help with personal communication skills when it comes to the more negative aspects of social interaction.

    3. Extroversion. This part here is where I believe ENFPs would surely shine. EVERYTHING involves people, you work with others, shoot the bull with others, you pass time, live with, deal with, EVERYTHING is with people, and by the masses! If you're the sort of person that enjoys hanging out all the time with friends, I guarantee you the military definitely gives you an extroversion outlet unlike any other job. The brotherhood, camaraderie, and support you get from people is something that fuels that energy.

    4. My last point, is the recognition for merit. The promotions (when and if they happen lol), the awards, and even if you get nothing the comrades that come by you all the time to say you've done well at this or that, people in the military do go out of their way to recognize effort and good behavior.. I think these things help fulfill that need to be recognized in a way that no civilian job can offer.

    Feel free to dispute, comment, add on to, etc.
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    I don't know anything about working in the military and am glad to learn about people's experiences.

    A clarification question --

    Is the question more about what the ENFP would gain from the military personally (your points seem to be more along those lines which I can certainly appreciate. Perhaps I need a boot camp for increased discipline).

    Alternatively, is the question more about whether ENFPs are well matched with the profession - a mutual gain perspective - what could they bring to the military that others can't? I don't see that addressed as much.

    Just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    1. The structure of it all. I've been forced to learn time management, how to keep my areas of operation sanitary and to a standard, how to accomplish and finish goals I set out to do (if not only because I'm forced to do them lol) etc. The things that I think ENFPs on here tend to complain about like never being able to complete projects or keep up routines like working out and such would help be resolved with the military's strict procedures.
    Right brain techniques might work better for many ENFP. I've never found external habits learned by force to last any longer than they were externally enforced. And the military is very left brained in its approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ergophobe View Post
    I don't know anything about working in the military and am glad to learn about people's experiences.

    A clarification question --

    Is the question more about what the ENFP would gain from the military personally (your points seem to be more along those lines which I can certainly appreciate. Perhaps I need a boot camp for increased discipline).

    Alternatively, is the question more about whether ENFPs are well matched with the profession - a mutual gain perspective - what could they bring to the military that others can't? I don't see that addressed as much.

    Just wondering.
    I suppose this is because I classify what someone gets out of their careers a part of the career's success. You ought to do something you enjoy for a career, or at the very least, something that benefits you, imo. I think I bring a lot to my platoon and my need to succeed and not disappoint those around me play a role in benefitting the military itself. To me, work is partly the success you create, and partly the success of your own benefit.

    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Right brain techniques might work better for many ENFP. I've never found external habits learned by force to last any longer than they were externally enforced. And the military is very left brained in its approach.
    I'm not familiar with the whole lefty righty thing. But so far as things not sticking past the areas in which they are applied to, I have to disagree. To take the example of running: If you run three miles averagely, you'll run two decently. In that same way, even though my standards are not the same as the military's when I am home, I still have standards surpassing those I ever would have had beforehand. It's, quite simply, impossible to go into the military and not take parts of it away and home with you forever.
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    hey, I'm an ENFP in the military!

    I'm Infantry. This leads to problems as I don't really know HOW to socialize with infantrymen, who are either

    -Too dumb to get any other MOS
    -Really just want the most violent MOS there is
    -Me

    So it is hard, but the structure really helps me deal with life a bit more maturely now.

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    ^ Exactly. I think without the army at a young age I'd be leagues behind myself right now, and would have been 30 years old kicking myself in the ass for not gaining the structure I have now. Yeah, it was forced on me, and yeah I didn't like it at first, but what you like from an immature sense is outweighed by what you like about yourself later on thanks to it.

    The social interaction with infantry men? Unless you know a lot of dirty jokes, good luck with that!. I suppose it's better than dealing with MP interaction, since there's always that anal "I have to do everything by the book" guy and the "I'm an arrogant ass because I have a badge" guy.

    I think the only thing that keeps me from totally enjoying it all is the attitude of the military itself towards women, and the attitude towards how people are treated. I don't agree with a lot of the systems they have in place because they clash with my personal ideals.. but I even gain something out of this, because I've learned to at least figure out how to cope with systems that I don't agree with and learn to work things out despite them.
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    Maybe they'd be savvy to the impending PTSD and be able to cut out of there before being irreparably scarred. That's probably a useful trait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wailing Specter View Post
    I've considered navy or air force before
    What made you consider them? Did you end up joining? If not, why not?
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    What made you consider them? Did you end up joining? If not, why not?
    I'm getting a General Studies degree with a focus in Humanities. After changing my major a few times, I had to change it to that and I'm unhappy with that. I cannot afford a masters and I really do not want to take out a loan. I also want to travel the world. I also want a buffer between being somewhat tied to my mom and being completely on my own. I want something with structure. Air Force, Navy, and Coast Guard are attractive to me. Army and Marines aren't my cup of tea. My plan is to finish out these last couple semesters, sign up for one of those 3 branches, hopefully get in as I have both mild mental and mild physical issues, and if all goes well, I can get a masters in social work or something. I'm going to talk to an armed forces recruiter monday and discuss my options. The idea of basically signing my life away for a few years scares me a little, but it excites me, too. Regardless, I have till May 2018 to fully make my mind up.
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