(now that we're thoroughly off topic )
But I think that's a good way of trying to explain the importance of both S and N without making stereotypes for either.
Originally Posted by Unique
A) I take nothing personally
B) You obviously failed to read the part where I stated that the abstract comes into play and is extremely useful, however the world is primarily concrete
A) You accused him of stereotyping, which is not what he was doing. If you were not taking it personally, you would've seen that.
B) Care to back that up? I've already provided a good bit of reasoning that contradicts what you're saying. 'Concrete' and 'abstract' are just two sides of the same coin. Just because one cannot directly observe the abstract properties of the world doesn't mean that their presence is somehow lesser.
I hung out with an ESTP and ENFJ yesterday. I didn't have any trouble communicating with the ESTP at all. No filtering, no censorship, nothing. In fact, it took several hours of exposure to him before I even figured out he was an S-type.
Oh for f**k sake the fairy land thing was a joke. Haven't you seen the motivational posters? They were made by N's anyway so its hardly my joke to begin with.
As for N's trying to make out like this world isn't primarily concrete, I got one thing only to say to you, touch the chair you are sitting in. Feels pretty real huh?
Yes the abstract comes in handy, yes new ideas mostly come from initiatives but no we don't live in a fantasy world, things are concrete.
Why do you think initiatives come here?! As a haven away from S world!
things are the way that people make of things!
The chair is whatever the chair is to you.
And the chair is whatever the chair is to me..
and the chair is whatever the chair is to an N....
And certainly abstract ideas "come in handy".. because the idea of the chair was abstract to begin with...
Then there was the person who made the chair come to life-. That was an important role, too...
So yes we live in a concrete world with chairs and things... but the concrete world never came without abstract thoughts...
Its like Lauren Ashley mentioned- this thread is pretty ironic. S's and N's having miscommunications.
I think that "communication" involves sending a message to another person that should be properly received. If the communicator hasn't sent his/her message in words that do not properly describe what he/ or her is trying to say- in language that isn't articulate enough- (describing the abstract or concrete) than the receiver has less of an ability to understand. There are other reasons for miscommunication- the person receiving is not intelligent enough, unwilling to listen for personal or emotional reasons- etc. I don't think that this has to do with an S/N divide. It has to do with many many other factors. And if someone really really wants to send the message, than perhaps they should think about the reason that it is not getting through. If someone wants to receive a message- same deal. I guess that's my beef with the OP-.... and much of the rest of this thread...