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    I've found the word I'm looking for.

    'Phantasm'

    [Edit] INFJs suddenly scare me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oddly Refined View Post
    Hah 4.0 here. ;p Also, I argue in class all the time!
    AND your name is a great way to describe an INFJ. In general, we're awkward in social situations but still carry ourselves like everything we do is on purpose. ENJs are still much better at it than us, either way.

    So in other words what an INTJ does to the realm of academics (oh god), an INFJ does in the realm of philosophy?
    That sounds right.

    Were INTJs have masterminds like the Joker or the surgeon-sadist in Saw, INFJs have saviors like Ghandi and Jesus. It's not that INTJs are evil, its that they view themselves separate from humanity (IME), and with T tend to experiment, while INFJs, who also feel apart from humanity, use their perceived distance to learn about people and try and improve them. That's the Te/Fe difference.

    INTJs have been the stereotype of many supervillains. They have some weird motive (the Joker wants to play against the rules just to see what happens and the Saw guy wants to see how far people will go to preserve their life) and have the tactical genius to string along the hero(s) for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyward View Post
    AND your name is a great way to describe an INFJ. In general, we're awkward in social situations but still carry ourselves like everything we do is on purpose. ENJs are still much better at it than us, either way.



    That sounds right.

    Were INTJs have masterminds like the Joker or the surgeon-sadist in Saw, INFJs have saviors like Ghandi and Jesus. It's not that INTJs are evil, its that they view themselves separate from humanity (IME), and with T tend to experiment, while INFJs, who also feel apart from humanity, use their perceived distance to learn about people and try and improve them. That's the Te/Fe difference.

    INTJs have been the stereotype of many supervillains. They have some weird motive (the Joker wants to play against the rules just to see what happens and the Saw guy wants to see how far people will go to preserve their life) and have the tactical genius to string along the hero(s) for a long time.
    If the world is against INFJs, how do you maintain that disposition without it leading to trauma?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FC3S View Post
    If the world is against INFJs, how do you maintain that disposition without it leading to trauma?
    I'm too awesome to get traumatized by another person's opinion.

    ^ THAT is how I maintain the disposition. The INFJ I know does too.

    And how is the world against INFJs? Most people ignore us or hide from us because we can easily find their faults. The rest don't know about us or are themselves.

    I've found the word I'm looking for.

    'Phantasm'

    [Edit] INFJs suddenly scare me.
    Perfect! I feel like that a lot too. Explains why I listen to cult metal like Therion a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwigie View Post
    I get that a lot too. People want to help me, a lot. They think I'm all "fragile" or something or secretive, silent. They say my face says it all. It's true, I usually make a face instead of saying anything.
    i find i'm the opposite.

    actually, it's hard for me to make faces. seriously. i feel weird talking about myself this much, but people seem so freakin fascinated by infjs that, well, it's gotten me to think about my facial expression, my voice, and my eyes. like i said, efficiency is a major trait of mine and as such i realize i don't even like putting energy into facial expressions. i basically carry the deadpan 'yesteryear' stare when i am at my most comfortable. even smiling can be taxing, unless it's for a camera photo (ugghhh!) or to a stranger so i don't come off like a royal b____. i am extremely full of mirth and vim and vigor, and can laugh a lot, but i rarely waste energy in smiling or making faces of any sort, to my family or friends. i'd rather just put it in words and be direct about it, whatever i need to convey.

    like my expression, my voice too can be just deadpan. to record a cp message on my phone i have to try really really hard to pep up my voice so i don't literally sound mad, or totally depressed; basically without affect. even then, after trying my hardest i just sound normal, not very peppy! i think it's the same thing with the voice--just don't wanna waste energy on it or something. it's subconscious.

    finally, i always wondered why i could not look people in the eyes very easily. all my life (until discovering i'm infj) i've felt slightly guilty or weird about this. i've tried to force myself, and do force myself with strangers or friends, etc., but overall prefer to keep my eyes downcast and not make eye contact even within my family. my pics on type c illustrate this! it just takes too much time and energy to look people in the eye all the time. i think this isn't good with my kids or husband, so i'm trying to make more effort in this regard, but it's not what i'd naturally do. as far as making eye contact with lovers, that's what's really difficult. almost impossible. i guess because it's just too revealing for me. my take on it is that i'm so open and pure raw intuition and feeling, that to bare my soul through my eyes feels like exposing a newborn's skin to burning hot sunshine. when i make love with my husband after all this time, i still have to gradually get comfortable with him and in the zone before i look into his eyes, and then not very long, because i feel very vulnerable, even with the person i trust the most in my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    i find i'm the opposite.

    actually, it's hard for me to make faces. seriously. i feel weird talking about myself this much, but people seem so freakin fascinated by infjs that, well, it's gotten me to think about my facial expression, my voice, and my eyes. like i said, efficiency is a major trait of mine and as such i realize i don't even like putting energy into facial expressions. i basically carry the deadpan 'yesteryear' stare when i am at my most comfortable. even smiling can be taxing, unless it's for a camera photo (ugghhh!) or to a stranger so i don't come off like a royal b____. i am extremely full of mirth and vim and vigor, and can laugh a lot, but i rarely waste energy in smiling or making faces of any sort, to my family or friends. i'd rather just put it in words and be direct about it, whatever i need to convey.

    like my expression, my voice too can be just deadpan. to record a cp message on my phone i have to try really really hard to pep up my voice so i don't literally sound mad, or totally depressed; basically without affect. even then, after trying my hardest i just sound normal, not very peppy! i think it's the same thing with the voice--just don't wanna waste energy on it or something. it's subconscious.

    finally, i always wondered why i could not look people in the eyes very easily. all my life (until discovering i'm infj) i've felt slightly guilty or weird about this. i've tried to force myself, and do force myself with strangers or friends, etc., but overall prefer to keep my eyes downcast and not make eye contact even within my family. my pics on type c illustrate this! it just takes too much time and energy to look people in the eye all the time. i think this isn't good with my kids or husband, so i'm trying to make more effort in this regard, but it's not what i'd naturally do. as far as making eye contact with lovers, that's what's really difficult. almost impossible. i guess because it's just too revealing for me. my take on it is that i'm so open and pure raw intuition and feeling, that to bare my soul through my eyes feels like exposing a newborn's skin to burning hot sunshine. when i make love with my husband after all this time, i still have to gradually get comfortable with him and in the zone before i look into his eyes, and then not very long, because i feel very vulnerable, even with the person i trust the most in my life.
    I think a lot of that is how you express introversion. It's interesting how the same type shows things differently because the functions mix in different ways.

    I tend to seem like someone that seems mentally 'uncentered' where I don't have a 'set' type of thinking and act very quirky. I feel like a pseudo-form of ENFP when feeling social, but not quite since I don't have one major obsession, but a few esoteric ones. Like Finland, Eurometal, Languages, Typology, Psychology, and Counterculture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyward View Post
    I'm too awesome to get traumatized by another person's opinion.

    ^ THAT is how I maintain the disposition. The INFJ I know does too.
    Seriously, I'm badass, and everyone knows it!
    And how is the world against INFJs? Most people ignore us or hide from us because we can easily find their faults. The rest don't know about us or are themselves.
    The world does not like INFJ's because we tend to remind people of what they could do if they tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe View Post
    The world does not like INFJ's because we tend to remind people of what they could do if they tried.
    True dat!

    Prolly why I fell hard for the INFJ I know even if I didn't feel the 'click.' Thankfully I extricated myself from that bit of nonsense (Yes, she's an INFJ, but our interests and values don't match well at all) and have taken attraction for her INFP sister instead
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyward View Post
    AND your name is a great way to describe an INFJ. In general, we're awkward in social situations but still carry ourselves like everything we do is on purpose. ENJs are still much better at it than us, either way.



    That sounds right.

    Were INTJs have masterminds like the Joker or the surgeon-sadist in Saw, INFJs have saviors like Ghandi and Jesus. It's not that INTJs are evil, its that they view themselves separate from humanity (IME), and with T tend to experiment, while INFJs, who also feel apart from humanity, use their perceived distance to learn about people and try and improve them. That's the Te/Fe difference.

    INTJs have been the stereotype of many supervillains. They have some weird motive (the Joker wants to play against the rules just to see what happens and the Saw guy wants to see how far people will go to preserve their life) and have the tactical genius to string along the hero(s) for a long time.
    I never idolized Ghandi or Jesus. I always found very flawed complex leaders more interesting.

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    Just thought I should point out that on the front page, this topic appears as "The INFJ Facial...".

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