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    I've been finding my INTP friend to be extremely draining and somewhat overanalyzing of EVERYTHING. I understand that analysis is what comes with INTPs. But, is it normal for this type to drain ENFPs? I'm very E and I never felt exhausted by a person before!

    It seems every conversation ends with some debate about something that I find unimportant or that person challenging every thought I discuss.

    I think what I find frustrating most is their lack of drive to ever WANT or TAKE ACTION against the things that they find fault in in society.

    Anyone else feel this way? Is this typical of enfp and intp relationships?

    Also--- I have many NT friends and love debating and conversing with them
    but I dunno INTPs rub me wrong..

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    INTPs are...challenging, but very worthwhile to talk to. Yes, when they go on theorizing it can drain us immensly as their choice of words and general style, as well as the abstractness in which they relish is taxing on us. And we have the same effect on them btw. If we ramble on about the interpersonal relationships between two people in a group or god forbid about their feelings, or our own, they get 'F-ed' out very quickly.

    You're best off taking turns and breaking it up with some light banter from time to time. Even while doing this, it will still be intense and sometimes exhausting, especially after a long day. On the other hand, the insights you both can gain from each other, are incredibly valuable, as are the lessons you can teach each other (he can teach you to look with a more critical eye at the world, which, believe me, we need, and we can teach them to lighten up and stop being so paranoid about *everything*)

    Just get him to mix it up a bit, that will take away some of the friction between you two
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    Yes to the over-analysing thing getting old /draining with ENFPs. Few are more tenacious in debate than a rabid INTP.

    But ENFPs are rarely (never) more motivated to take action than I. It's a procrastination party. Socionics says we "deactivate " each other.
    Are you sure you're not a closet J?

    ^ENFPs are WAY more paranoid than we are. I can't tell you how many times I've had to talk one down from a major freak out. But if I'm freaking out, they just make it worse with all that empathy shit. They don't know how to reign in Ne at times.
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    Ohh noo, I'm not a J. I do procrastinate with the rest of them, but if I am passionate about something, I get active and go head strong. It's once I lose the passion that I fall back into my excessive P.

    I just see these ideas and thoughts in INTPs and then when you tell them to voice it to the world, they're like "it doesn't matter. Who cares". Well, if it doesn't matter, and who cares to know, why do you sit around reading, researching and analyzing if you want to do nothing about it?

    It's like they have no drive sometimes and I just don't see why
    (sorry for stereotypes)

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    I think he views me as a motivator for him, rather than a deactivater

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    It's a lot harder to take action with the big-picture stuff we like to think about than it is with small-scale interpersonal stuff. Some INTPs will get into a position where their ideas can become reality, but for many, especially younger ones, all they can do is theorize.

    I usually find a far-removed future possibility more interesting than small-scale things that are happening right in front of me. But I do like relating the things that happen close to me to a wider context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2XtremeENFP View Post
    I just see these ideas and thoughts in INTPs and then when you tell them to voice it to the world, they're like "it doesn't matter. Who cares". Well, if it doesn't matter, and who cares to know, why do you sit around reading, researching and analyzing if you want to do nothing about it?

    It's like they have no drive sometimes and I just don't see why
    (sorry for stereotypes)
    It's an introverted perspective. We don't need to make a splash. Knowing that we COULD do something is enough. And sometimes it's enough to make one lose interest. Actually doing it is often just too much energy expenditure. And we are often too cynical /full of self-doubt to believe we can really make a difference.
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    yeah I agree with relating the smaller scale stuff. I see the bigger things happening around me, and if I want to change it. I tackle the things in my life. Be the change. Ya know? What's the point in standing up against something if you don't feel like getting off your feet

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Yes to the over-analysing thing getting old /draining with ENFPs. Few are more tenacious in debate than a rabid INTP.

    But ENFPs are rarely (never) more motivated to take action than I. It's a procrastination party. Socionics says we "deactivate " each other.
    Are you sure you're not a closet J?

    ^ENFPs are WAY more paranoid than we are. I can't tell you how many times I've had to talk one down from a major freak out. But if I'm freaking out, they just make it worse with all that empathy shit. They don't know how to reign in Ne at times.
    totally agree with blue haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    It's an introverted perspective. We don't need to make a splash. Knowing that we COULD do something is enough. And sometimes it's enough to make one lose interest. Actually doing it is often just too much energy expenditure. And we are often too cynical /full of self-doubt to believe we can really make a difference.
    This can be the biggest block to getting productive results out of the intps I work with.

    In general though I like them very much. We do live in different universes. They look at me, they smile, I say crazy things, they say things I dont understand, I smile again, and things seem to happen. It's like we communicate on a subconcious level, and results occur, even if I am not sure eaxctly how. They (being they dont know about MBTI) dont understand what a crazy enfp is, so they just sort of stare and ponder...

    They will talk to me about feely stuff a bit more than they will to others, even if I don't ask or inquire. They will bring it up.

    If you get them drunk they act a little more like entps then. woo-hoo Ne!!

    However in retrospect I have meet upwards of 50 INTP guys, but just met my first INTP girl the other day.

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