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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I think there's a tendency for some people to project their feelings onto me because that's what they would feel if they were in my shoes. And when I assert that I do not feel that way at all, I am told that I am in denial or out of touch with my emotions.
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    I see thinkers make just as many assumptions about motives and intentions, especially when dealing with feelers. Once they latch onto a belief about an intention or motive, they cannot be reasoned with.

    Neither side has a monopoly on making assumptions about people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I think there's a tendency for some people to project their feelings onto me because that's what they would feel if they were in my shoes. And when I assert that I do not feel that way at all, I am told that I am in denial or out of touch with my emotions.
    yes, to me it seems like they are inventing my emotions and prosecuting me for them.


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    That's so weird, I don't really assume people have emotions they are hiding. What would be the benefit? I like the way NT's come across, why would I want them to be different from how they are?

    I know ENFP's on here sometimes say it about INTJ's but in my case it's just for fun. I do know INTJ's who are sensitive and sweet on the inside but that's really just what they show me.

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    I get that this is a complaint many T's have, and yes, it does happen that F's do this. I do.

    I try to verify first that I got it right though. And if they then tell me I'm wrong, I tend to take that on board and try not to push it. But experience has shown that often, later on, you're proven right. That the person was in fact just not in touch with their own emotions but was still 'suffering' from that emotion, though they were absolutely telling the truth when they felt you were wrong about their emotions. If this weren't the case, I would learn from my 'mistakes' and stop intuiting their feelings. Granted, sometimes we do definitely get it wrong. I mostly have that with people I've just met or haven't gotten to know that well yet or when I'm missing a large chunk of info still. I try to compensate for that by asking a lot of verifying questions (sometimes that's not appreciated though).

    Also, coz you're an F, it's sometimes assumed that you're psychic about how T's feel. Without any real data at all and you get told that you should be more sensitve, at least, if you really are an F. And...the times that you relate to them just right, often go unnoticed by the other party as well, and kinda get taken for granted.

    It's a delicate balance. People expect it from you when you're an F, but god forbid that you get it wrong, or that you tell them something they're not willing to face. On the other hand, stop relating to them, and you get sulked at for being insensitive. Do it right and often nobody picks up on the fact that that is in fact what you're doing.

    So..give us the benefit of the doubt. We try. As for me (but I'm sure this is true for other F's as well), if you honestly tell me that you think I'm wrong, I will take it on board and drop the matter. But I will keep it in mind, and keep a look out for signs down the road. All I'm trying to do is draw your attention to things that jumped out at me. Hope you don't mind

    Ps: exceptions to this rule are people that need the 'tough love'/ shock value to be kicked into action. Only do this though if I know you well enough
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    NFs sometimes know what I'm thinking or what I'm feeling without my consciously expressing anything. They are highly sensitive to picking up on non-verbal cues, hence sometimes they are labelled "psychic" when really they are just extremely attentive in the interpersonal realm. In much the same way that animals can pick up on mood and atmosphere. But that doesn't mean they understand me or the qualia of what it is like to be me. Anymore than my dog does.
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    Thank you for the awareness, Antisocial One. I am not going to lie, but I think I was being to judgemental and stereotypical with NTs. The fact of the matter is that they (you guys) are not so different than us NFs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    But that doesn't mean they understand me or the qualia of what it is like to be me.
    I find it difficult to imagine any NFs have ever suggested they do. Certainly not on this website, where I would've thought the transcendent uniqueness of the NT has already received adequate coverage. But evidently it hasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    NFs sometimes know what I'm thinking or what I'm feeling without my consciously expressing anything. They are highly sensitive to picking up on non-verbal cues, hence sometimes they are labelled "psychic" when really they are just extremely attentive in the interpersonal realm. In much the same way that animals can pick up on mood and atmosphere. But that doesn't mean they understand me or the qualia of what it is like to be me. Anymore than my dog does.
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    That's when, after you've picked up on stuff, you ask. You give them a description of what you think might be going on and ask them to verify it. If you get it wrong, you ask additional questions and try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I see thinkers make just as many assumptions about motives and intentions, especially when dealing with feelers. Once they latch onto a belief about an intention or motive, they cannot be reasoned with.

    Neither side has a monopoly on making assumptions about people.
    +1

    Especially fun when they feel you're intuiting their emotions and then start assuming your motivation for doing so. They'll like come up with the most paranoid scenarios first *sigh*
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