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    We never claimed to fully understand you though. A lot of us just aspire to do so. So this debate is pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    We never claimed to fully understand you though. A lot of us just aspire to do so. So this debate is pointless.
    Then it is pointless.
    The only thing i was/am saying is that I have a lot of misscommunication with F in genaral. That is all.

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    Quod erat demonstrandum
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    Rationals

    Play the game of "Robot" when they fear a loss of their ability to
    continue to be competent, achieving, and resolved. Variants of the
    Robot game include:

    -- That's Illogical: keep others on defensive by asking lots of
    questions, and once others try to defend or explain themselves, then
    accuse them of being Illogical.

    -- Super-Intellectual: behave as very intellectual and devoid of
    emotion. Appear cold, stiff, distant and impersonal to others. They
    intellectualize everything -- even emotions.


    -- Nitpick: they become preoccupied with minute details, completely
    disregarding the big picture. Rarely satisfied, perfectionistic. The
    book makes the example of the graduate student who never finishes her
    dissertation.

    -- Superstition: go to extreme to avoid something -- like germs. May
    also engage in repetitive rituals like cleaning, counting or chanting
    or hand-washing.

    -- Blanking Out: experience moments when they can't think of familiar
    words, names or numbers; most likely to happen when performing as in
    taking a test.

    -- Haunted: cannot make unpleasant thoughts go away, such as a song
    playing in their head, or become obsessed about loved ones.

    Idealist

    Play the game of Masquerade when they feel they have not been or
    cannot continue to be authentic, benevolent, and empathetic. Variants
    include:

    -- Mind Reader: claim that they know what others are really thinking,
    feeling and/or wanting. Project their own thoughts/desires on to
    others, often attributing negative motives, ie., that others are out
    to get them. May even contend that others are reading their minds.
    Take everything as personal when it has nothing to do with them.

    -- Martyr: sacrifice themselves for a higher cause or principle, or
    for the needs and wants of another. May voluntarily endure suffering
    or hardship to impress others of their goodness and purity.

    -- Grasshopper: keep hopping from one topic to another, to keep the
    conversation away from sensitive issues. Avoid talking about what
    really bothers them by pretending to be bothered by something else.

    -- Statue: Lose any degree of their motor and/or sensory functioning
    and may experience partial or full paralysis, blindness, and or
    deafness. This cannot be traced to any organic cause.

    -- Forgetful: completely forget whatever is unpleasant from their
    past
    or present -- develop amnesia of painful moments. Can also forget
    their identity and even take on a new one.

    -- Twitch: Demonstrate an unusal increase in motor activity that
    cannot be traced to an organic cause. May exhibit tics or spasms,
    verbal outburts, outpouring of repressed negative thoughts and
    feelings. Once started, cannot stop.



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    That's interesting Jeno, where'd you get that?
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    The book title (and link with excerpt) are at the end of the post.

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    sensotard moment, tnx
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    hahaha, no worries. as I was typing your reply, I was desperately looking at my history folder to see what the link for it is, not realizing that I had already posted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    hahaha, no worries. as I was typing your reply, I was desperately looking at my history folder to see what the link for it is, not realizing that I had already posted it.
    It is a really good book. I got alot out of working on the case files in the back of the book. Worth the read.
    for my life is slowed up by thought and the need to understand what I am living.

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    But we CAN read minds ya know ...

    I think the trouble occurs when an NF can't really figure out what the issue is when one is sensed and therefore tries to extrapolate or speculate based on their own filters, their own experiences. That's the error.

    That being said, I have learned to trust intuition because it is folly to ignore messages received in the first place. I don't want to post the many examples I have of such occasions, so you'll have to take my word on that.

    Amargith, you have really held in here to try to explain intuition & empathy and for that I send you

    AS-one, you can't intellectualize everything, so it is folly to try to dissect this further. But I do believe you are trying to understand, and that is admirable.

    So ya, let's hope this thread drifts off, not to be resurrected again.

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