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    Often times I will notice things like a person's diction, their behaviours, how they treat friends and so on, and do the same thing you do, implement this knowledge into how I act so I could be more likable to the person.

    It's actually one of the better strategies I've found when dealing with people and getting close to them.
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    Of course.

    It's why we have things like 'regional dialect' and global variations in human speech. Differences in human activity naturally spawn differences in individual approach - both as a way to accommodate popular mentality, and to adapt it for personal use.

    The end result of this is diffusion of local routine eventually influencing wider social culture. It's one of the many ways we stay abreast of our immediate environment and protect ourselves from unknown variables outside of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Of course.

    It's why we have things like 'regional dialect' and global variations in human speech. Differences in human activity naturally spawn differences in individual approach - both as a way to accommodate popular mentality, and to adapt it for personal use.

    The end result of this is diffusion of local routine eventually influencing wider social culture. It's one of the many ways we stay abreast of our immediate environment and protect ourselves from unknown variables outside of it.
    That's a little unnerving. Are you saying that really backwards values and traditions from small communities eventually begin influencing everyone else? I was kind of hoping it worked the other way around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    That's a little unnerving. Are you saying that really backwards values and traditions from small communities eventually begin influencing everyone else? I was kind of hoping it worked the other way around...
    It's simply the path of least resistance. Generally speaking, value systems are fluid to their culture of origin and aren't ever uniquely created - more a tailored expression of smaller, 'borrowed' behaviors.

    It's important to note that larger communities of people do not necessarily produce 'superior' cultural artifacts. Just happens to be that more people adopt and put into practice what they find familiar, against smaller, more isolated communities where external visibility of cultural tradition is limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    It's simply the path of least resistance. Generally speaking, value systems are fluid to their culture of origin and aren't ever uniquely created - more a tailored expression of smaller, 'borrowed' behaviors.

    It's important to note that larger communities of people do not necessarily produce 'superior' cultural artifacts. Just happens to be that more people adopt and put into practice what they find familiar, against smaller, more isolated communities where external visibility of cultural tradition is limited.
    I see so many negative consequences that could result from the compulsive borrowing of value systems from tainted sources that I'm extremely worried by this dynamic. There are a lot of local value systems with values I would not like to be subjected to, but if they spread like a virus, there may be no way to escape them.

    So I guess my question is, what (if anything) can be done to stymie the spread of virulent value systems that tend to create negative, unfair situations for some people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I see so many negative consequences that could result from the compulsive borrowing of value systems from tainted sources that I'm extremely worried by this dynamic. There are a lot of value systems I would not like to see imposed on me, but if they spread like a virus, there may be no way to escape them.
    There's no reason for concern.

    By the time these 'pop' behaviors become significant, they're exceedingly diluted as to better culturally integrate into our shared lexicon.

    In other words, there's little real chance that we'll be practicing blood sacrifices anytime soon, or that it'll be socially acceptable to mutilate infant genitalia to match some outdated religious standard.

    ...Wait a minute...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    There's no reason for concern.

    By the time these 'pop' behaviors become significant, they're exceedingly diluted as to better culturally integrate into our shared lexicon.

    In other words, there's little real chance that we'll be practicing blood sacrifices anytime soon, or that it'll be socially acceptable to mutilate infant genitalia to match some outdated religious standard.

    ...Wait a minute...
    Well, not blood sacrifices, obviously. I was thinking more along the lines of racism, sexism, and religious intolerance... there are small communities where those things and ideas are rampant, and I would be concerned about them spreading.

    But yeah, I admit that the outdated religious standard regarding mutilation is a little unnerving when you think about it. It reflects the side of our culture that I don't want to see a resurgence of.

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    Oh, but if you don't adopt the values and emotional responses as well as body language and other significant points of a personality; How will you know how they think?
    In my head, I prefer to have as whole a picture as possible before I go and disregard parts. You need the background to see what developed those traits and thus you need to live it to understand it fully.

    And yes, I have tried out being a racist, sexist, intolerant, religious, fanatical, nazist, neo-nazist and honestly, they have so many broken points that if I got that many broken bones, I'd be dead.
    Sure, I could see why they were horrible even on the outside but if I do not adapt behavior to try it out at least a little, how would I know how it feels to be part of it.

    Nowadays I feel I can understand ignorant people a bit more. Sure, I am ignorant myself just by typing this but at least I know that.



    Mirroring consciously is like art.
    You paint a picture, step into it, live it and then stepping out, look at it from the outside and then tearing parts of the painting off. Just to keep the good(according to your value/efficiency system) parts.

    So far, I feel quite smudged in between 11/16 profiles.

    Though, MBTI is by far too simple.
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    So I'm going to go ahead and say this topic is freaking me right out. There's people who "mirror" and like it? Well, I'm aware of the meaning of mirroring, say, body language, and as far as I know I'm conscious of avoiding mirroring, and if I mimic other people's language I'm aware of doing it and it generally has a sarcastic tone... and there may be other stuff that I'm not aware of (and I don't like that idea, but it may be true.)

    So, I suppose I gotta ask, all you mirror-ers, are there people you don't need to mirror? I mean, people you don't need to work at copying to be close with. Or even if, say, you meet a dual, do you mirror them, but it's easier because those functions are part of your own?

    I mean, am I hanging out with duals and thinking the communication is great, but it's only because they're copying my style? Is that good for them?

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    No I definitely do not change my values and truths just to get along or fit in with people

    I will adapt behavior to get along with people. I will observe people and how they interact and mimic what seems to be successful mainly because I have weak social skills. I would say I am "learning" more than "mirroring". I admit that many things people say and do socially puzzle me. It seems so mediocre and fake sometimes, and I wonder how it is people bond and interact under these terms. I wonder why my natural way is so "wrong".... Someone told me that introverted people often have to "act" to a degree socially to be successful, and that's what I feel like. I really don't like it though, and it's exhausting.
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