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    Okay, so "emo" is a kind of subculture wherein the kids dress in a particular style (tight pants, graphic t-shirts with punk band insignias, fish head shoes, and an odd haircut that covers one of their eyes) and are supposedly into Tim Burton films and poetry? I guess since the idea behind them is that they are overwhelmed by the sadness of life, and they want to create deep and meaningful works of art to portray that sadness, it seems like more of an NF thing. But the constituents of the subculture needn't all be NFs, even though the idea behind it is NF leaning.
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    ^^ i'm not so sure nanook knows what the hell he's talking about. i doubt there are many enfp/enfj emo kids...i just really do.
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    The people that I know that seem "emo" are majority IXFP, honestly.

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    A lot of "emo" i run into appear to have a gross false sense of self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    By the way, real 'original' emo's are nothing like the stereotype's that has become emo's on the internet. But I assume you mean the stereotypical emo. :P
    Exactly.

    Emo was a mid-late 90's cultural underground development, and by the late 90's - early 2000's it was already a largely stereotypical and non- to partially-underground social scene, made up, I'd wager, by at least 50% posers. The Indie rock scene developed at the same time but was separate, but in some people's minds (mainly outsiders) Indie kids and emo kids are the same (this has been a misconception for years now). But by now, both groups are largely made up of people in it for the social aspect. So anyone could be emo whose friends are emo. It could be full of SJ's, SP's and NF's, (and maybe NT's) but I'd argue that to identify with EMO you probably have to be an F. ST's are known for using the slur "gay" to describe how lame being emo is.

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    emo=extroverted feeling=marylin manson=enfj
    gothic=the cure or oomph!=introvert feeling

    i am talking about the feelings, not about how some wikipedian defines the genres.

    gothic is pathos, guilt, intrinsic anger, owned freedom, obsession with evil to relax the intrinsic perfectionism (Fi)
    emo is yearning, hurt anger, crying for freedom, obsession with expression and freedom (Fe)

    satanism=gothic for NT

    punk=emo for istp

    if that is not true, for examples in your dirty reality neighborhood, then these examples just don't know who they are/ought to be*.
    identity distortion is to be expected.

    *that includes ENFJ who act like they are bad SJ cliches, denying their true emo self.

    also leave britney alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    Exactly.

    Emo was a mid-late 90's cultural underground development, and by the late 90's - early 2000's it was already a largely stereotypical and non- to partially-underground social scene, made up, I'd wager, by at least 50% posers. The Indie rock scene developed at the same time but was separate, but in some people's minds (mainly outsiders) Indie kids and emo kids are the same (this has been a misconception for years now). But by now, both groups are largely made up of people in it for the social aspect. So anyone could be emo whose friends are emo. It could be full of SJ's, SP's and NF's, (and maybe NT's) but I'd argue that to identify with EMO you probably have to be an F. ST's are known for using the slur "gay" to describe how lame being emo is.
    "Indie rock" is just the new term to replace "alternative rock" after the term alternative rock was taken over by the mainstream radio in the early 90s and made generic. Indie rock music now is clearly derivative of the alternative & college rock of past eras. There were other terms before that also... Music is so hard to define, that I get a headache every time I discuss these terms though

    I think emo tends to be ISFPs, if we're talking emo as a subculture and scene, not so much the streamlined trend that has emerged (which is probably whatever types like to hop on the bandwagon :cough:ESFPs:cough: ). It seems more of a sensory thing, as style is emphasized, and there's expression of feeling, but it's not particularly poetic. I notice the lyrics being much more direct, with less abstraction and metaphor.

    As far as being emotive and drawn to dark things, then that may be any IxFx, even INTP's & ENFx's too. I would see NFs as more "indie" than "emo" though. It tends to be less about image, and it features more "out there" poetic lyrics. The music is less palatable to mainstream because of that. I think in another thread Candyland Joe described certain INFP music as swallowing glass and ISFP music as honey . That's all generalizations of course...

    Ultimately, I think any type can listen to any kind of music. I think who makes the music is more related to type than who gets into a scene. People get into music for such a variety of reasons, and sometimes we like something for the very reason that it expresses how we feel in a way we cannot do ourselves.
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    Yeah, or SFP's.

    I have always though that I have the emotions and maybe the personality of an emo. The melancholic lifestyle, bringing meaning and inspiration from sadness.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    to nanook:

    Satanism inequals gothic for NT. It's a religion, unbiased to personality type.

    Satanism has some of the pathos ideals you mentioned, if not most (guilt and obsession with evil are the only ones I saw that didn't fit), but it doesn't fit into a cultural category. Punk, Emo, Goth fit into a category. Satanism fits in with Christianity Buddhism and Scientology.

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    Once something becomes so big its a "fad" I assume any kid can fall for it.

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