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    Quote Originally Posted by IEE623 View Post
    to OP: have you ever thought of ESTJ as your type? Because Te is the most abstract compared to other functions that are not N. If your dominant function Te overpower your auxiliary, then it might be the reason why you tested as ENTJ. Your Si seems to be much higher than your Ni.

    I've known some ESTJs IRL that got the test result as ENTJ. But they agreed that the description of ESTJ fits them more.
    Noooo, ESTJ is definitely not me. If a rule doesn't work for me, it's not a rule of mine. If something ceases to be useful, productive, or interesting it's history. I like organization, but only in my own life and in an effort to meet my own ends. I have no interest in honoring tradition or being a leader or a model citizen. If I don't know why I'm supposed to be doing something, I will not do it. Also, if my plans are in some way inconsistent with what's deemed "right", oh well. I'm not terribly interested in social functions or community or anything that has to do with maintaining the status quo. I am glad, however, there are people who do care about these things as it saves me the trouble of having to muddle through unnecessary chaos.

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    that's the reason why i don't like MBTI. it's too generalization and based too much on observation which implies error
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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    Is there a way to answer them wrong? I'm not sure how I would answer them right.
    The function test comes with a "curve" number too, right? Something between -10 and 10, I think. As I recall, the closer to 0 that number, the more closely your test answers reflect the test designer's understanding of function use. As I understand it, the test questions deliberately reference simple and complex usages of the same function in different questions, so it's possible to, for example, say yes to complex uses and no to simple uses, suggesting a misunderstanding of the function. That's how you get "wrong" answers.

    But... assuming a good curve, then IEE623 has a point: your results say ESTJ (with Ti in the mix because Te's so good and you're working in a field that requires you to focus on detailed derivation.)

    But back to the F question...

    Quote Originally Posted by speculative View Post
    Fi should only take less than a fraction of a second to process. Especially when there is an instantaneously strong dislike of something, that is processed not through the mind but through the adrenaline glands...
    Remember though, this is for EXTJs.

    ENTJs in particular can find answers to the problems in front of them well before they've given any thought to what they feel about the problem. Fi's a thin, reedy voice that has to somehow be listened to in the face of a perfectly workable plan that's ready to go. Not counting the personal cost, indeed actively ignoring personal distaste, can get to be a habit.

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    that's the reason why i don't like MBTI. it's too generalization and based too much on observation which implies error
    It's a tool to help point in the right direction, but not a means to an end. You can like it without generalising about it. :P

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    As I have delved further into understanding myself, and my implementation of my MBTI type (ESTP) I have learned quite a few things.

    It was easy to confirm my strengths; it is not so easy to admit I have weaknesses, or to accurately understand them sufficiently in order to formulate a plan for developing them and hence improve myself.

    The first shortcoming of being an ESTP that I am going to address is being totally at a loss in trusting my feelings. I can make complicated decisions while thinking on my feet at any moment; I have great faith in my ability to think and choose the best course of action for the task at hand. When it comes to feelings though, I am somewhat paralyzed. If I have to make a decision as to how I feel, I most always end up thinking about it for weeks and still am not able to select a course of action with any confidence. It is almost embarassing, but that's how my brain works for now.

    So, I'm trying to work on that right now. It's alot of fun. <NOT>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    The function test comes with a "curve" number too, right? Something between -10 and 10, I think. As I recall, the closer to 0 that number, the more closely your test answers reflect the test designer's understanding of function use. As I understand it, the test questions deliberately reference simple and complex usages of the same function in different questions, so it's possible to, for example, say yes to complex uses and no to simple uses, suggesting a misunderstanding of the function. That's how you get "wrong" answers.

    But... assuming a good curve, then IEE623 has a point: your results say ESTJ (with Ti in the mix because Te's so good and you're working in a field that requires you to focus on detailed derivation.)

    But back to the F question...



    Remember though, this is for EXTJs.

    ENTJs in particular can find answers to the problems in front of them well before they've given any thought to what they feel about the problem. Fi's a thin, reedy voice that has to somehow be listened to in the face of a perfectly workable plan that's ready to go. Not counting the personal cost, indeed actively ignoring personal distaste, can get to be a habit.
    Regarding the test, that makes sense. Especially the bit about the scores near zero. I just copied and pasted the result page so I don't remember the specific numbers unfortunately.

    I suppose it's possible that I could be an ESTJ based on the description IEE623 sent me (thank you, thank you btw), but I really feel like it would be a stretch. I had a really hard time even imagining myself behaving in the ways described, though it does look like a lovely personality type based on the description and I certainly would benefit from taking up some of those strategies.

    That second bolded part sounds a bit more like me. I look at something and just know it isn't going to fly, or there's a way to make it fly, and then reverse engineer in an explanation for those who want a justification. So, now the question is how to get the voice to make itself heard...

    For what it's worth socionics has me pegged as LII with LIE as a second possibility.

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    You're a weird ENTJ. How about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    You're a weird ENTJ. How about that?
    That's a given!

    Anyway I went back and redid the cognitive processes test and the Ti came out one bar ahead of Te this time. Also Se and Ni switched places, but they were both really bad (one bar and no bars). What does this mean? Probably that Kalach is correct. There is something about the wording in those two sections on that particular test that makes me feel a little pukey. Does pukey count as an expression of F-ness, or an aversion to it?

    Anyone know of a better test? I'm still fairly heartless but perhaps I could work on fixing the identity crisis and go from there.

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    Cognitive processes tests aren't all THAT great. Honestly, they're just for fun imo.

    Have you read descriptions of Ni? Can you relate to them?
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    Honestly, not so much. But it might be the descriptions. They strike me as so, I dunno, hokey or something. I must have a little Ni in there somewhere or I probably wouldn't be asking about cultivating my F...it wouldn't occur to me. I can imagine a pretty miserable future for myself if I don't work on it a little. (I'll end up being that wretched old lady who chases kids off her lawn and keeps their balls when they fly into the yard). I can see little pictures of my own life a couple years out all the time, but if I'm honest with myself, that's really an inductive process. I know myself pretty well so it's not hard to anticipate what the short-term future will be.

    That other Ni stuff ...not so much though. Even thinking about the description makes me a little irritable.

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