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    Things like good and bad do not exist in the real world. Ideas of good and bad are just projections of basic humans instincts and some ideas on reality.

    Someones freedom figthers can be an outlew from perspective of another man.

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    but the idea that something that "exists in the real world" is somehow more significant than "something that exists only in the human world" is nothing but a projection of a basic human instinct. well, of a basic NT instinct. and it is a literal projection, meaning denial. actually, you know nothing but human reality, and if you are honest, nothing but human reality matters to you. who are you trying to fool? identification with "real" reality? really? its called identification with the culprit. introjection, i believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    but the idea that something that "exists in the real world" is somehow more significant than "something that exists only in the human world" is nothing but a projection of a basic human instinct. well, of a basic NT instinct. and it is a literal projection, meaning denial. actually, you know nothing but human reality, and if you are honest, nothing but human reality matters to you. who are you trying to fool? identification with "real" reality? really? its called identification with the culprit. introjection, i believe.
    I am human being just as everybody else and I function as a human being.
    But you are undermining the level of my detachment.
    To me it looks like that mankind is destined to become extinct and I stand behind that statement. As a future geologist everyday I am faced with idea of the world without humans.
    Also I find machines to be quite intriguing.
    Many people have problems seeing me as a one of their own but that is what I am .But that does not mean that I want to stay like this forever. Since I think that it is quite limiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I am human being just as everybody else and I function as a human being.
    But you are undermining the level of my detachment.
    To me it looks like that mankind is destined to become extinct and I stand behind that statement. As a future geologist everyday I am faced with idea of the world without humans.
    Also I find machines to be quite intriguing.
    Many people have problems seeing me as a one of their own but that is what I am .But that that does not means that I want to stay like this forever.
    Since I think that it is quite limiting.
    If you are intrested in doing business with bio-implants, I got some ideas
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    But you are undermining the level of my detachment.
    undermining? well, the idea is, that your level is created, and the creation is reinforced every day of your live, and this is the act of fooling yourself. i don't know in how far your detachment is based on horizontal dissociation, or transcendence, but if it was transcendence it would still obviously be transcendence with out inclusion (integration of the transcended), meaning it would be transcendence based on repression. both ways of growing and posture (horizontal agentic dissociation or vertical ascending repression (phobos instead of eros)) are an act, an this act is based on tension, it therfore steals all your energy, both is instable, both will crash at some day, in psychosis eventually. inevitable somehow. both is a topic for my self, i am myself ascending with repression and schizoid (horizontally aloof), but you are just happy about it - yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    undermining? well, the idea is, that your level is created, and the creation is reinforced every day of your live, and this is the act of fooling yourself. i don't know in how far you detachment is based on horizontal dissociation, or transcendence, but if it was transcendence it would still obviously be transcendence with out inclusion, meaning transcendence based on repression. both ways (horizontal agentic dissociation or vertical ascending repression (phobos instead of eros)) is an act, an this act is based on tension, it steals all your energy, both is instable, both will crash at some day. inevitable. both is a topic for my self, i am myself ascending with repression and schizoid (horizontally aloof), but you are just happy about it - yet.
    I was thinking I get this as a reply.

    The only point that I was tring to make is that I understand that there is more to this reality then it seems and that because of human body we are limited in experiancing reality. But that does not mean that I am I am not interested in things that can be out side of human perception/understanding.

    For example when you use X-rays to determen the inner structure of cristals you are overstepping your human boundries. You can understand the process but the means and the subject that is to be determined can't be experianced.

    Today as a species we have come to many places where even our logic does not work properly since it is too limited. However on some of those areas machines seems to be doing fine for now.

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    i myself feel that his godhead-cosmos is a spooky pseudo-mechanical thing, that features humanity but is not human, period. and for what i know, it rejects any attempt to talk to me, as that would spoil its nonduality. so its as alien as anything can be alien. and i understand a fascination with the wildness. for me, fear is strong, but if you are cooler about it, i am okay with that. i just take offense, when morals are judged by an outside discipline. that would be a categorical fallacy. you don't apply the values of right hand empiricism to a left hand psychic phenomenon, trying to prove, that your right hand quadrant is more real than the left hand one. (did i get left and right wrong?) i am still not sure, what your position is, on this, but if i cant lecture you, cause you get it already, my lecture may always be of value to someone ^^ this stuff cant be said often enough.

    precisely because everything is "just" relative, everything is fundamentally real - just there.
    understanding relativity correctly does not make everything somehow unreal, it enhances the reality of everything. it adds unappeasable depth to the reality of everything.

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    From my NT perspective: Life is like a porno, no matter who I meet, I ge tscrewed over. Yes, I know that people are evil. Anonymus, I think that as people grow, they become even more selfish. Adults that I've seen talking too each other can't be convinced to lend each other anything. CHildren often share if there is a problem. So, people get worse with age.

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    That's because, as you get older, you learn that people break your shit. I like my shit. I worked hard to get it. That slob down the street? He can't use my shit. He will break it.

    I don't have a problem with sharing in principle. It's a practicality thing. People are incompetent clods.
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    I have a different answer to this question every day.

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