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    Default Are NFs overly non offensive ?

    That is just something I have noticed.
    I know that NFs are very wide group so I am generalizing since they are NFs that are not like this.




    If you attack NFs on their beliefs you will probably provoke a response.
    The NFs that is attacked will do anything in its power to prove that the belief system is correct/valid.
    However if you do that all the time they will learn how to ignore you.


    But that is not the point.

    The point is that they will focus on defending their beliefs and they will not start a counter attack on your belief system unless you are really pushing it.
    In some cases you will hear a rant or an insult but there will probably be no calm and calculated(really calculated) ofensive.



    NFs are also quite unlikey to attack the other persons belief system.

    Do you feel uncomfortable doing that or you are afraid that you will be depressed if you do that? Or you are afraid of destroying a friendship (or whatever)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    The point is that they will focus on defending their beliefs and they will not start a counter attack on your belief system unless you are really pushing it.
    In some cases you will hear a rant or an insult but there will probably be no calm and calculated(really calculated) ofensive.



    NFs are also quite unlikey to attack the other persons belief system.

    Do you feel uncomfortable doing that or you are afraid that you will be depressed if you do that? Or you are afraid of destroying a friendship (or whatever)?
    Not true, most NTs alsojhas belief system and defend them.

    It depends on what you define as belief, and what is objective and subjective. I believe anything can be proven true and anyrthing can ber proven false. Its all a matter of words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Not true, most NTs alsojhas belief system and defend them.

    It depends on what you define as belief, and what is objective and subjective. I believe anything can be proven true and anyrthing can ber proven false. Its all a matter of words.

    I was was just waiting how long it will take to get post like this.
    I don't defend mine since I am too isolated.


    However I think that you can't prove/disprove things just like that. Actually you can but that is not real proving/disproving
    Which is because words don't have any real value. Since you can swing them as you like.

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    Why would you attack someone elses beliefsystem if yours includes amongst other things: Respect for everyones beliefs and feelings, openmindedness to new ideas, and so on as long as no harm to a third party is done.

    I truly believe that you're entitled to your own opinion on just about anything, and as long as you do not hurt another with those beliefs, I am more intrigued to find out what made you come to them than I am to prove you wrong. They shape you and make you unique. Why would I want to distroy that? I'm more likely to want to understand it. Besides, who am I to tell you what to believe?
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    To argue my beliefs is 100% pointless. Mostly, because I'm terrible at it. But besides that, generally when someone has formed an opinion they stick to it even if your argument is stellar - according to my INTJ brother, who is a veteran (and no he's not just tooting his horn; this guy really knows how to make a foolproof argument). Despite knowing how futile controversial debates are, the poor fool gets pulled into them all the time anyways
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    Well...If pushed hard enough, I will be offensive. I chose not to get to that point. I keep my beliefs pretty tightly to my chest. I'd rather walk away, than tear some one apart.
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    The point is that they will focus on defending their beliefs and they will not start a counter attack on your belief system unless you are really pushing it.
    i hardly ever defend my views or myself. i will just end the conversation, pretend that your argument has crushed my ground and i am speechless, if that is necessary to end it. i wont take your ignorance apart and point out how it is rooted in psychopathic motivation, unless you push it. i won't do the latter in real-life at all. this is because i have energetic awareness of boundaries. fighting with the physically present core of a person is highly problematic (for the both of our psyches) and stressing. even if the person pretends or 'believes', that the topic at hand is not personal to him, like he is just being objective, yeah right. his motivation to argue comes most likely straight from the core, and thats where i would have to pull the plug. i am afraid, that i cannot control my anger/action, once i enter that energetic battlefield ("i don't belong here. this field rejects me"), because then it feels like "kill or get killed". so i prefer "run away and let live". good for you.

    However I think that you can't prove/disprove things just like that. Actually you can but that is not real proving/disproving
    Which is because words don't have any real value. Since you can swing them as you like.
    agree ...

    at least thats true for the "things" that i am about. being intuitive, i don't have believes that are originally constructed from logical arguments, and therefore contained in them, and therefore presentable in linguistic argument. and i cant put my visions of intuitive origin (perception) into someones head, especially if he is not motivated to take a step back from language and argument and make room for them. often people wont even step back to look at what they themselves are saying. so its usually pointless to even try to get to an understanding. let alone "proving" anything. the term prove does not mean much to me. the correlating word in my world is "can you see it?!" thats all there is. deep, complex, strong, sharp, narrow, weak and twisted perspectives.

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    I don't have beliefs per se (not in a spiritual sense) but I do have values. The validity of those values is always open for debate, in my book. It's because I stand by them 100% that I have no problem talking about it. That being said, there are some people who I don't think would even understand the terms of such a debate.

    How can you objectively explain, for example, the validity of "live and let live"? There are a million possible explanations and none, at the same time.

    There is no such thing as overly none-offensive. Unless someone is being harmed by another people's belief system, I won't ever attack it. What's the point?

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    NFs can be really offensive sometimes.
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    I'd say we don't tend to be really offensive unless some outside event or behaviour from another person triggers it. If something goes against our values we may decide to do something about it.

    Otherwise we're pretty calm and yes non-offensive. Definitely not the type to be expressive with their beliefs or outspokenly arrogant & ignorant to other people's beliefs. The reason I won't usually attack another person's beliefs is that I understand that everyone is different. I know that the set of my beliefs are not the only set of beliefs in the world, and everyone has their own different beliefs depending on their upbringing, what they were taught, their peer groups, and etc.

    And of course, I hate conflict. Since we are empathetic, we don't believe in pointing out another person's beliefs in hopes of proving them wrong, we aim to understand people individually, and with this comes the understanding of their beliefs as well as acceptance of those beliefs even if we do not take these beliefs on ourselves.

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