Is the popular notion that NTs (type 5s) are nihilists and NFs are not generally, and so this question is about those NFs who are against the grain nihilists, or those of us who have nihilist tendencies when it otherwise goes against our type?
Remember that everything has a beginning and an ending.
Work backwards from there.
Not neccessarily so. There are feedback loops that have no defined beginning or ending because what could be the beginning is influenced by what could be the ending, and so telling the two apart is difficult/impossible/pointless.
I'm somewhat of an existential nihilist. In that I think that life, as a whole and as untouched and unconcerned with humans, does not have a meaning, it just is. However, that doesn't mean I think that everyone should just dissolve into apathy and say, "Well then fuck it, what's the point of it all?" Life only acquires meaning when you give it meaning. Life will not automatically hand you purpose. You have to find that for yourself.
There are a lot of other nihilist thoughts I have as I tend to think a lot of things we take for granted as inherent traits of humanity are actually things we are conditioned to think before we can even speak. It's not all doom and gloom though. It just means that we've crafted a complex system for ourselves, and I think that, if anything, is an inherent human tendency. To create complex systems to make life "make sense" and give it a guise of having a point.
"I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference."
I just quickly browsed some of the definitions of nihilism on the web.
# Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position that argues that existence is without objective meaning, purpose, or ...
# Extreme skepticism, maintaining that nothing has a real existence; The rejection of all moral principles
# nihilist - someone who rejects all theories of morality or religious belief
There seems to be a pretty broad array of definitions (and I only pasted in a few), so given that, I don't think as a whole it describes me. But certainly there are aspects of my beliefs that might be similar.
Originally Posted by Kyrielle
In that I think that life, as a whole and as untouched and unconcerned with humans, does not have a meaning, it just is. However, that doesn't mean I think that everyone should just dissolve into apathy and say, "Well then fuck it, what's the point of it all?" Life only acquires meaning when you give it meaning. Life will not automatically hand you purpose. You have to find that for yourself.
I've said/thought the same quite often.
Originally Posted by Kyrielle
To create complex systems to make life "make sense" and give it a guise of having a point.
I agree with this. Psychologically [most/all] people have a strong pull towards needing to have a purpose/point to their life, so in that sense it's almost inevitable on the individual level up to the societal level that people create a point - consciously or not. Religion is the traditional medium in which this is done (and maybe ism's like nationalism would also apply to a lesser extent?), and it is also trying to convey the abstract into the tangible - and in that translation things get royally messed up, since people latch onto the human-created tangible (in my opinion. Although, I don't even believe much of the abstract that the tangible is based off of..so that's another thing ).
"...On and on and on and on he strode, far out over the sands, singing wildly to the sea, crying to greet the advent of the life that had cried to him." - James Joyce
In my case? Because there's nothing about the nature of reality that suggest to me that it has an inherent meaning other than the one people give it. To me, this means that meanings we define for ourselves are than much more significant... because there's no universal meaning defining everything for us, deciding what all our choices mean regardless of how we see them. It means that what we choose to value or not value matters more than it would if there were a universal value scheme that applied regardless of choice.
nihilism = Ti (deconstructionism/relativism of moral leads to the assumption that no moral exists "for real", as moral is defined (mis-perceived) as construct, by the constructionist eye (Ti) of the deconstructionist, therefore aspects of moral that are not constructed are simply not recognized). to put it differently: Ti is moral autism. (if imploded). Fi is sometimes just as stupid. if it starts to play the pluralistic/relativistic game.
intuition=anarchy as attitude/platitude (as in: you wont be allowed to hold me accountable for my views (as you see them), because you cannot ever retrace/grasp them correctly)