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    Quote Originally Posted by BallentineChen View Post
    Can you at least substantiate your position. Not because I disagree with you, but because your post otherwise doesn't need to be shared.
    The question was whether or not I am a nihilist. I answered the question. How does that go against the OP and why shouldn't it be shared, hmm?
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    Well you already answered the question in this post.

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    1. Not me.
    2. Not at all.
    3. No. No. No idea.
    Your use of expletives tells me you have a strong disagreement with nihilism, I'm curious why.

    As far as why I said your post didn't need to be shared, you started the post by saying you disagreed with everything it stood for, but then you didn't elaborate. After that you say it's "complete bullshit." There's no substance to the post, I'm hoping you can explain your position.
    Last edited by BallentineChen; 03-27-2009 at 04:06 PM. Reason: Answering question.
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    *sigh* Alright, here we go:

    1. "Values do not exist but rather are falsely invented." How can something be 'falsely invented'? Either it is invented or it isn't.

    2. "Life is without meaning, purpose or intrinsic value." If that's true, why are we here - just for the hell of it? Even THAT is a purpose, though you could argue whether or not that purpose has meaning. Everything has meaning.

    3. "Morality does not exist, and subsequently there are no moral values with which to uphold a rule or to logically prefer one action over another." Okay, so then we should just run rampant and do whatever the hell we want or what????

    4. "General mood of despair at the pointlessness of existence that one has when they realize there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws." Why, in the name of everything, would I want to live without norms, rules or laws? Do I want anarchy and chaos or what???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    *sigh* Alright, here we go:

    1. "Values do not exist but rather are falsely invented." How can something be 'falsely invented'? Either it is invented or it isn't.
    OK, by your reasoning values can still be invented, just not falsely invented.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    2. "Life is without meaning, purpose or intrinsic value." If that's true, why are we here - just for the hell of it? Even THAT is a purpose, though you could argue whether or not that purpose has meaning. Everything has meaning.
    Why does something that exists need to have a purpose? Maybe we exist not even for "the hell of it." Can you explain why everything must have meaning.

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    3. "Morality does not exist, and subsequently there are no moral values with which to uphold a rule or to logically prefer one action over another." Okay, so then we should just run rampant and do whatever the hell we want or what????
    The question is whether morality exists independently of our perception of it, it has nothing to do with the repercussions of its absence. For example, "I need a car to commute more easily." Not "I have a car, therefore I need to commute easily."

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    4. "General mood of despair at the pointlessness of existence that one has when they realize there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws." Why, in the name of everything, would I want to live without norms, rules or laws? Do I want anarchy and chaos or what???
    It has nothing to do with what you want, it has to do with what is. Just because you want norms, rules and laws doesn't mean they necessarily exist. They exist because people put effort into making them exist, based on "values" that may be of their own construction, or as existing on their own. I think that's the question, whether morals are our own making or whether they exist on their own. The necessity of morals is irrelevant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Are you happy now? :rolli:
    Thanks, I needed that.
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    Nihilism is purely descriptive, it has no normative content, and most people don't understand that.

    I am a nihilist, and yet I think I am creating meaning and purpose again, although obviously at the subjective level. I am a human, I have a human nature, and if I play along with, I can be happy. At the core humans are social beings, and what makes us happy, are people, being connected to them and living for them. If you want to live a meaningful life, look no further than the people you care about. It's just human nature.
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    I actually consider myself an anti-nihilist. Until I saw this thread, I thought it was impossible to be an NF and a nihilist at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrielle View Post
    Not neccessarily so. There are feedback loops that have no defined beginning or ending because what could be the beginning is influenced by what could be the ending, and so telling the two apart is difficult/impossible/pointless.

    I'm somewhat of an existential nihilist. In that I think that life, as a whole and as untouched and unconcerned with humans, does not have a meaning, it just is. However, that doesn't mean I think that everyone should just dissolve into apathy and say, "Well then fuck it, what's the point of it all?" Life only acquires meaning when you give it meaning. Life will not automatically hand you purpose. You have to find that for yourself.

    There are a lot of other nihilist thoughts I have as I tend to think a lot of things we take for granted as inherent traits of humanity are actually things we are conditioned to think before we can even speak. It's not all doom and gloom though. It just means that we've crafted a complex system for ourselves, and I think that, if anything, is an inherent human tendency. To create complex systems to make life "make sense" and give it a guise of having a point.
    That is exactly what I think. The only problem is when my depression flares up...then I do get pretty apathetic. But when I'm happy, its closer to what you describe. I value pleasure and good company.
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    lol i think i just peed in my pants a wee bit lolololol.

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    The universe doesn't give two shits about morality, honor, or integrity. It is a mechanism, a cyclical process.

    That being said, I as a part of the universe do have morals, honor, and integrity and by enacting those beliefs everyday within my own life I project those concepts into the machine with unknown results. Unknown results being how far and wide the ripple travels across the universe after I throw in my stone. Is it still ultimately a small action lost in an infinite arena? Most likely, but for a brief time in a small space the universe has known such ideals and I am not alone in my endeavors. Others have done so before me, are doing so with me, and will be doing so after I'm gone.

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    Not type related.
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