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    i don't know her that much, from her persona i can see that too. she seems somewhat complex, and more shy and reticent like an infp than an isfp whose aux Se keeps them afloat in the moment. do you have any lyrics or quotations?

    candylandjoe, you're blowing my mind. does he have an entp sense of humor? i'm just making this up off the top of my head, but bill murray seems like a good example of entp to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    candylandjoe, you're blowing my mind. does he have an entp sense of humor? i'm just making this up off the top of my head, but bill murray seems like a good example of entp to me.
    Bill is entp, the kidder. The casting for Groundhog Day (one of my favorite 3 movies) would make a lot more sense if so, because the other two main characters are alpha.

    Prince though, he wasn't in a joking mood that night. A lot of Fe-ing the crowd (and a lot of it came off as futile), trying to get us going by getting women up on stage and covering some songs like "Come Together." Unity was a big theme, a lot of dancing and singing and clapping, so the show was really--when I think about it--a gigantic, pocked-drainin' black gospel preachin' from the then and current king of the rock n roll mountaintop.

    And thanks to a chance run-in with a classmate after the Prince show, I was able to learn a lot about her and istjs that filled that fucking bar we went to. I was telling one of her friends (infp), shouting in her ear, that if I have to stand by and listen to the others (istjs) talk for another minute about snowboarding or whatever physical activity while she uses the restroom I was going wring my neck with her purse strap. So... istjs, guh.

    Calvin Johnson is very clearly an istj. Simple, straight to the point, and makes really fucking boring coffin sawdust music that I should've never invested a penny in.

    I'll explain my fetus thoughts on Neil Young et al. later tonight.

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    While it's on my mind, that Colin Meloy guy is istj, too. Snorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.

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    YouTube - Neil Young on Letterman

    Do infjs care much about collecting old cars in general? Not at the top of most lists that I've read. If not, wouldn't it make a lot of sense for Neil Young to instead be estp?

    I'm all about mixing up Superego and conflicting types.

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    Gah, too tired to read the whole 14 pages again but it looks like since I last checked, now no one can be considered to be an INFP who is a songwriter/musician? Everyone who is a songwriter/musician who deals with feelings must therefore be an INFJ? :confused:
    "How can I be, all I want to be,
    When all I want to do is strip away these stilled constraints
    And crush this charade, shred this sad, masquerade"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGeq5v7L3WM

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    OKay, so tonight's thoughts:

    fiona apple (isfp)
    lenny kravitz (isfp)
    ben harper (isfp)
    jewel (isfp)
    m ward (isfp)
    jason pierce (isfp)
    layne staley (isfp)
    joni mitchell (isfp)

    mark mathersbaugh (infj)
    daniel johnston (infj)
    will shef (infj)
    paul simon (infj)
    mars volta (infj)
    shannon hoon (infp)
    lou barlow (infp)
    bill callahan (isfp)
    will oldham (isfp)
    arthur russell (infp)
    calvin johnson (infp? fuck.)
    neko case (intp)
    john zorn (intp)
    prince (entp)
    jonathan richman (enfj)
    brian eno (infj)

    a few additions with a few reasons:
    brian ferry (infp)
    ariel pink (intj)
    bill nelson of be bop deluxe (enfj)
    momus (infj)
    john howard (infj)
    kevin blechdom (enfp)
    shirley manson (enfp) - extroverted/thinks on her feet, silly hee haw enfp giggle
    gibby haynes (estp)
    josh homme (infp) - lives in the middle of nowhere, prefers metaphor, attempts to maintain harmony during concerts (very weak Te can be observed in these cases)

    bill fay (infp)
    kurt wagner of lambchop (enfj)
    alex chilton (infp)
    julian cope (infp)
    bruce haack (ixfp)
    martin fry of abc (enfj)
    david thomas (entp)
    scott miller of game theory/loud family (infp)
    robyn hitchcock (infp)
    kevin ayers (infp)
    laura nyro (infj)
    matt johnson of the the (infp)
    adrian belew (isfp)
    jeff lynne (entp)
    marshall crenshaw (infp)
    madonna (estp)
    gary numan (infp)

    Yellow Magic Orchestra members:
    haruomi hosono (infp)
    yukihiro takahashi (intp)
    ryuichi sakamoto (infj)

    dig in

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    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    Calvin Johnson is very clearly an istj. Simple, straight to the point, and makes really fucking boring coffin sawdust music that I should've never invested a penny in.
    beat happening songs seem infp to me. indian summer, cry for a shadow? dreamy and jamboree? would YOUR dad EVER be caught DEAD listening to beat happening? i know my istj dad wouldn't!

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    While it's on my mind, that Colin Meloy guy is istj, too. Snorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.
    i agree with the snore. the only song i ever liked by them was the crane wife 3. he seems like he could be pretty strong Si. and it feels like it might be really theatrical and performed like new pornographers but then isn't. lacks drama, feeling, intuition.

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    Do infjs care much about collecting old cars in general? Not at the top of most lists that I've read. If not, wouldn't it make a lot of sense for Neil Young to instead be estp?

    I'm all about mixing up Superego and conflicting types.
    i think introverts are more likely to be collectors than extraverts. i could be completely utterly stupidly wrong, and probably am. with that said neil is definitely an i and and f. the rest is where it breaks down for me. the way he sings, inflects, and is so infp stoic on the outside. i have the infp sense from him pretty strongly, but he could be an isfp. that's my big question right now with a lot of songwriters. aux Ne vs ter Ni. also, i am starting to think dominant Ni or Ne might just be too fucking crazy to write comprehensible songs that a large number of people will ever like.

    Quote Originally Posted by speculative View Post
    Gah, too tired to read the whole 14 pages again but it looks like since I last checked, now no one can be considered to be an INFP who is a songwriter/musician? Everyone who is a songwriter/musician who deals with feelings must therefore be an INFJ? :confused:
    i have no idea what you're talking about. infp is the largest category???? right now i'm trying to sort out infp vs isfp, who i think i drastically overlooked. and a lot of the infjs are just speculative, so to speak. typology is not a verifiable science and this thread needs more contributions from others to keep it in check.

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    OKay, so tonight's thoughts:

    fiona apple (isfp)
    lenny kravitz (isfp)
    ben harper (isfp)
    jewel (isfp)
    m ward (isfp)
    jason pierce (isfp)
    layne staley (isfp)
    joni mitchell (isfp)

    mark mathersbaugh (infj)
    daniel johnston (infj)
    will shef (infj)
    paul simon (infj)
    mars volta (infj)
    shannon hoon (infp)
    lou barlow (infp)
    bill callahan (isfp)
    will oldham (isfp)
    arthur russell (infp)
    calvin johnson (infp? fuck.)
    neko case (intp)
    john zorn (intp)
    prince (entp)
    jonathan richman (enfj)
    brian eno (infj)

    a few additions with a few reasons:
    brian ferry (infp)
    ariel pink (intj)
    bill nelson of be bop deluxe (enfj)
    momus (infj)
    john howard (infj)
    kevin blechdom (enfp)
    shirley manson (enfp) - extroverted/thinks on her feet, silly hee haw enfp giggle
    gibby haynes (estp)
    josh homme (infp) - lives in the middle of nowhere, prefers metaphor, attempts to maintain harmony during concerts (very weak Te can be observed in these cases)

    bill fay (infp)
    kurt wagner of lambchop (enfj)
    alex chilton (infp)
    julian cope (infp)
    bruce haack (ixfp)
    martin fry of abc (enfj)
    david thomas (entp)
    scott miller of game theory/loud family (infp)
    robyn hitchcock (infp)
    kevin ayers (infp)
    laura nyro (infj)
    matt johnson of the the (infp)
    adrian belew (isfp)
    jeff lynne (entp)
    marshall crenshaw (infp)
    madonna (estp)
    gary numan (infp)

    Yellow Magic Orchestra members:
    haruomi hosono (infp)
    yukihiro takahashi (intp)
    ryuichi sakamoto (infj)

    dig in
    my infp friend LOVES alex chilton and robyn hitchcock.
    madonna and gibby haynes as estps, yes definitely. do you associate estp with provocateur types?

    ryuichi sakamoto i would like to check out... some day.

    jonathan richman, you think he is dominant Fe? i don't know him that well other than the modern lovers record and his self-titled, but his songs don't have the intensity of feeling that i would expect from enfj. they are more cheeky. closer is my favorite jonathan richman song, and my own personal sex anthem.

    please explain shannon hoon and lou barlow. actually shannon hoon just FEELS way more infp to me than j. sooooo much more. the songs are pretty drippy, and they don't really elucidate the context enough to make you feel like a j type would. it's not about roles it's more about what happens internally to HIM. lou barlow and j mascis both infps, hmm. that would explain why they couldn't get along at all, and then could, and then couldn't, and then could etc. will oldham as an isfp makes sense to me, he is not very writerly compared to songwriters i like (in the N sense). i'll see bonnie prince billy when they come into town, but i'm afraid i might fall asleep like an old person with diapers on trying to see a picture at the movie theatre. i'm also thinking the fiona apple infp/isfp thing is a good question. the song criminal, extraordinary machine, i see some strong intuition there. same old problem, again and again.

    ps what are you talking about with superego? i've never made the leap as far as getting into that stuff and not feeling like robin williams in good will hunting.

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    Andre 3000 from OutKast?

    ENFJ/ENFP?

    E-talkative, doesn't seem shy
    YouTube - Andre 3000 - "Are You Done Rapping?" - Semi-Pro

    N/S; I can't ever tell, but I usually pick N for artists that I like (bias?) the way he dresses is N?

    F- beams and smiles and is nice in interview

    J/P not sure on this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    While it's on my mind, that Colin Meloy guy is istj, too. Snorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.
    He so desperately wants to be an N too. What a poseur. :rolli:

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    shirley manson (enfp) - extroverted/thinks on her feet, silly hee haw enfp giggle
    If you can call her evil, maniacal laugh a giggle . I definitely see her as ENFx of some kind. ENFP maybe, cuz I think she has Te. She is really blunt anyway.
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    I think the fact that he was pulled over for doing 100+ on a Georgia highway solves that. His buddy has to be istp. 2+2=4.

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