User Tag List

Page 12 of 33 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 323

Thread: nf songwriters/musicians

  1. #111
    Freshman Member Array simulatedworld's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Enneagram
    7w6 sx/so
    Socionics
    ILE
    Posts
    5,554

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Thursday View Post
    the lead singer of incubus - ENFJ
    Noooo, not even a little bit J. He's so Ne dom it's absolutely silly; listen to their first record and pay attention to the flat out drug-induced absurdity of his lyrics. For instance, from "Take Me To Your Leader":

    What if I was just dreaming?
    What if I lived in a pear?
    What if I had a mustard-drenched cucumber tied to my leg
    And I did not want my pants to get dirty
    What if this, what if that?


    I actually sing in an Incubus tribute band so I've studied every aspect of the music, the lyrics and the personal interview styles of the members to a pretty ridiculous degree, and my type reads on the band at this point are as follows:

    Brandon Boyd (vocals) - ENFP
    Michael Einziger (guitar) - INFP
    Ben Kenney (bass) - ENFP
    Jose Pasillas (drums) - INTP
    Chris Kilmore (DJ/effects) - ISFP

    And former members:

    Dirk Lance (bass up thru Morning View) - INTJ; this explains his constant personal friction with the other members (Brandon in particular.) If you watch the Morning View sessions he's constantly taking a leading role in working out arrangements; rumor has it this album was particularly difficult because he was so stubborn/controlling on a lot of the songs (which would annoy the piss out a bunch of FPs, I'd expect.)

    DJ Lyfe (scratches/samples on Enjoy Incubus EP and S.C.I.E.N.C.E) - Probably xSTP; according to the the band, the last incident that finally resulted in him being fired was when he turned up all his shit so loud on stage one night that nothing else was even audible.

    Anyway, just my two cents on that, being that I'm a pretty big nerd for that band.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

  2. #112
    Fail 2.0 Array BlueScreen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    2,510

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sanveane View Post
    I do need to find better proofs for my reasoning... the fact that he is famous definitely skews impressions. He smacks of INFJ to me. Though, other than being extremely curious, I'm not so attached to typing him as I can't really come up with much more on the topic without doing a bit of research.
    Nah it's cool. I'm seeing it now.

    More evidence can't hurt though. I need to do some research too. He's got so many facets that it's hard to decide which matters, or is true to the person not the persona.
    Freude, schöner Götterfunken Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heiligtum! Deine Zauber binden wieder Was die Mode streng geteilt; Alle Menschen werden Brüder, Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

  3. #113
    Senior Member Array the state i am in's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    MBTI
    infj
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Posts
    2,447

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sanveane View Post
    I dare not hope Morrissey is INFJ being that I can't be sure I'm not falling into the trap of wanting to claim someone I admire as my own type. That said, I really do think he is INFJ. He is so direct and bracing in his communication style and is also a control freak.

    I suspect Robert Smith is INFP.
    this is exactly what i'm saying. same with leonard cohen (crosses fingers)!

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    Stipe has to be infj. Just too blunt to be infp.
    Thom Yorke is an intp. There are several youtube interviews that have him uncorking his explosive Fe on the person interviewing him.
    what do you mean by too blunt? do you too perceive of infjs as being more self-righteous, to assert their ideals more aggressively than infps? i think this might be true, i just need another nudge to see it in the open.

    thom broke down, lost his mind, couldn't take the pressure of everyone's eyes. listen to pablo honey, songs like stop whispering, thinking about you, you, etc. they sound like bad u2 songs, but soooo personal. same with the bends. then he broke down during ok computer a la billy corgan on siamese dream, and after the breakdown never released a personal intimate immediate work again. always the distance. radiohead makes up for it in sheer talent, Ti ability as a band, Se, and all of the design team they have perfecting the product (even the packaging!). but he seems like an unhealthy inf for sure to me. "meeting people is easy." true love waits sounds like an infj song to me, as does talk show host, street spirit, and planet telex. fake plastic trees and ok computer maybe too. actually today i'm back in the unhealthy infj camp, tho fake plastic trees to me SEEMS like Ne, as does paranoid android, etc, but it's really difficult to tell. the lyrics always have a coherency to them, karma police, my iron lung is so unhealthy inf, just- i'm not sure, high and dry seems infj. he seems like he has strong Ti to me, he very easily could be a really unhealthy Fe type (poor guy). he can't keep the opinions and attitudes of others outside of his own skin. today i think infj. i think johnny greenberg is probably infp or isfp.


    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    (Layne Staley -don't listen to him, though he has the look and sound,
    Fiona Apple, from interviews, seems very entj because of her very commanding voice, but also quite lazy,
    Prince -his energy is just too expansive to be anything else, screams Ni-Se but seems to lack boundaries to so much of a degree that his dominant has to be Te from my observations,
    Josh Homme,
    the singer from the Trail of Dead,
    Martin Newell of the Cleaners from Venus, and others that I'll remember a little later.
    layne staley seems i to me. the body of an overdosed extravert would be found before it had decomposed. he was way trapped in his own world. maybe isfp. and the prince characterization of isfp makes more sense than any other i've heard so far. i would have guessed fiona apple is an isfp too a la kirsten dunst. she seems introverted with Fi dom.

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    Not to say other types don't have their share of problems, but in support of my view that Cat Power is intp--I've known several primary Ti's to be alcoholoics. She is just very detached in movements, music, and thought. For example go to YouTube - Cat Power interview on Much Music - at 2:45, Cat notes that [remember Beck?] when she writes music it just sort of "happening" when as she does. It just is. I think infps have to make their music much more personal to feed their Fi, whereas Cat seems to make music just because she can.
    beck and cat power, as far as music just happening, just coming out- that seems way more infp to me than intp. intps deconstruct the shit out of everything. they plot, they arrange their ideas explicitly and articulate them over and over. it's exhausting and when they get the bug, they dive into it 100% without stopping. they keep writing, they get jacked up on speed, they cannot stop or sleep or eat bc they are working constantly. beck and cat power seem like the music comes out of Ne, they're feelings are strong and well-developed, songs come out easily bc they can project their feelings so powerfully even if the formal construction is hackneyed, boring, repetitive, etc. beck writes mutations and sea change, there's like two or three interesting compositions between the two records. but they're listenable bc of Fi. same with cat power, every cat power record may or may not be a covers record bc it doesn't even matter. it's her singing. (except the moon is a great great song).

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    more entjs:
    Miles Davis (it'd make sense if his buddy John Coltrane were intp - gamma goobers)
    David Bowie (calls himself a "pioneer" in music, scraping along at 57 - YouTube - David Bowie interview, Parkinson, 2003, Part 1)
    Andrew Lloyd Webber
    bowie has got to be a p. his first function is Pe, i just don't know if he's an n or an s. i think he's a t tho for sure.

    miles as an entj i could maybe see. i've read his autobiography and he struck me WAY more as an isfp. felt like bob dylan memoirs or john steinbeck travels with charley. he has the same understatement, simplicity, focus, etc, and he seems intent on leading quietly, directing the course of the music in an Fi kind of way to me. i don't know tho, he could be an istj or isfj for all i know. he always give people space to be themselves. coltrane i think has to be an infp. his conversion shit, a love supreme, i dunno let's keep this one going.

    re: a love supreme, carlos santana also seems isfp to me, agree/disagree?

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    a few enfjs to throw out there:
    the two main XTC guys - Andy and Colin
    the two main Led Zeppelin guys
    Paddy McAloon of Prefab Sprout
    Sondre Lerche
    Kate Bush
    etc.
    jimmy page and robert plant as enfjs? jimmy page HAS to be an introvert. plant could be an enfj, i would see that as a possibility. i personally hate him, he has a glory complex, the lyrics have some Ni to them, i think. jimmy page seems like he could be an isfp or an infp or an intp or an istp. i really have no idea. i'd guess t over f pretty strongly, without hearing him speak.

    also, i thought kate bush seemed to be considered an infp? i would guess enfp/infp, with the best advice being that she seemed very introverted. her grandeur seems very Ne to me, not Ni.

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    When in doubt, use the process of elimination (regarding Leonard Cohen)
    YouTube - Leonard Cohen Interview, 4/28/85 (Part 1)

    ^above is an infj on infj interview.

    Moz is also infj, not a doubt about it. Fulfills the infj/intp combo myth, even, Marr as an intp.
    i'll check out this interview. what is this infj/intp combo myth you speak o? i NEED to hear about it!

    i often have trouble with infj/intp typing, i've seen writers like vladimir nabokov and my favorite writer donald barthelme seem very borderline. the Ti presence in some infjs is very strong and confuses matters, and Ni/Ne are very difficult in lyrical type expressions. Ni is highly contextual within your own interpretative framework/environment, but your framework/environment may be extremely weird and twisted. also, it is. i have similar problems with songwriters like stephin merritt, of the magnetic fields, today i think he's an infj instead of an intp. i'm settled on lou as a quintessential intp example, but also the elvis costellos, the andrew birds, the sufjan stevens, they could be an aloof withdrawn introverted excessively masked infj. cashmir pulaski day!

  4. #114
    Senior Member Array hokie912's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Enneagram
    9w1
    Posts
    271

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    My first instinct when I looked at interview videos of Morrissey was ENTP.

    His cause could be Fe or Fi. My problem with INFJ is I'm seeing Ne there. I see it in the lyrics too. There's that overconnectedness, and always wanting to push the limits of it. This line for example screams Ne to me:

    Why pamper life's complexities
    When the leather runs smooth
    On the passenger seat ?
    I disagree...I don't see Ne with Morrissey's lyrics at all. I relate to them a lot because they're fairly concrete and make sense to me, and usually don't draw as many random external connections. Even the example given here, which is on the abstract side for Morrissey, seems more Ni than Ne, somehow. I think he mainly writes the connections he sees, and I don't see a conscious pushing of limits lyrically. I'm going to go with introverted intuition here.

    My first guess is INFJ, and I'm another who's hesitant to claim people I admire. I definitely think he's an INXJ, though. If not INFJ, I would guess INTJ with strongly developed Fi. But really, pretty much textbook INFJ.

    Edited to add: Okay, watching interviews. Seems Fe, which casts doubt on the possibility of INTJ.

  5. #115
    jump Array sleuthiness's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    54 so/sp
    Socionics
    IEI Ni
    Posts
    1,862

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    Jarvis is enfj.

    Like I said, Te's in the trashbin.
    Well what's this picture?:

    Jarvis with an istp?

    I have to fix the sound on my computer look at this with a closer eyar.

  6. #116
    Paragon Gone Wrong Array OrangeAppled's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    4w5 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEI Ni
    Posts
    7,391

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    Well what's this picture?:

    Jarvis with an istp?

    I have to fix the sound on my computer look at this with a closer eyar.

    Is that the Babyshambles guy (Pete something-or-other)? Oh my...I think his type is: SCREWED UP.
    "Charlotte sometimes dreams a wall around herself. But it's always with love - So much love it looks like everything else. Charlotte Sometimes - So far away, glass sealed and pretty." - The Cure

    INFP | 4w5 sp/sx - 451| RLUEI - Primary Inquisitive

  7. #117
    Paragon Gone Wrong Array OrangeAppled's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    4w5 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEI Ni
    Posts
    7,391

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hokie912 View Post
    My first guess is INFJ, and I'm another who's hesitant to claim people I admire. I definitely think he's an INXJ, though. If not INFJ, I would guess INTJ with strongly developed Fi. But really, pretty much textbook INFJ.

    Edited to add: Okay, watching interviews. Seems Fe, which casts doubt on the possibility of INTJ.
    No way is he INTJ.....just no way.
    I have a feeling INTJs are some of the people who say, "Morrissey is so whiny!"
    "Charlotte sometimes dreams a wall around herself. But it's always with love - So much love it looks like everything else. Charlotte Sometimes - So far away, glass sealed and pretty." - The Cure

    INFP | 4w5 sp/sx - 451| RLUEI - Primary Inquisitive

  8. #118
    Senior Member Array hokie912's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Enneagram
    9w1
    Posts
    271

    Default

    Yeah, I take back my INTJ guess, having spent a good portion of the evening watching Morrissey interviews/performances. Lots and lots of feeling (Fe, I think), and no Te.

  9. #119
    Senior Member Array the state i am in's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    MBTI
    infj
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Posts
    2,447

    Default

    i think i'm switching my favorite songwriter ever david berman to infp, but i'm switching stephen malkmus to infj. he seems like the writer tom wolfe but all slackered out. i think Fe is really good at mimicking voices, it learns how to articulate in the voice of the Other. and stephen always has that jutted out hip.

    david berman seems infp bc it seems Ne to me no matter how i try to justify it. he can hold on to the feeling deeper until he can explore all the fringes of connection that exist far across the great expanse to the horizon. he just keeps writing one true line at a time.

    robert smith as an infp seems so so so right. and i'm pretty sure songwriter simon joyner is an infp. his songs seem Ne to me as well and organized by an inner feeling apparatus that does not EVER recede. he wears it around town, you can feel the weightiness pulling him inward. do check him out. he always gets plugs from conor oberst, and beck back in his anti-folk days really dug his record "the cowardly traveller pays his toll" sic. the song cole porter in particular is excellent.

    i'm still working on these. and awaiting criticism/updates for others already listed.

    fiona apple (isfp)
    lenny kravitz (isfp)
    ben harper (isfp)
    jewel (isfp)
    m ward (isfp)
    jason pierce (isfp)
    layne staley (isfp)

    mark mathersbaugh (infj)
    daniel johnston (infj)
    will shef (infj?)
    paul simon (infj?)
    mars volta (infj)
    shannon hoon (infx)
    lou barlow (infx)
    bill callahan (infx)
    will oldham

    arthur russell (enfj)

    neko case (intp)
    john zorn (intp)

  10. #120
    jump Array sleuthiness's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    54 so/sp
    Socionics
    IEI Ni
    Posts
    1,862

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post

    what do you mean by too blunt? do you too perceive of infjs as being more self-righteous, to assert their ideals more aggressively than infps? i think this might be true, i just need another nudge to see it in the open.
    I have no idea what I was thinking. Tonight I'm leaning towards him being infp since he likes to use the word "whatever" in a lot of his interviews.

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    thom broke down, lost his mind, couldn't take the pressure of everyone's eyes. listen to pablo honey, songs like stop whispering, thinking about you, you, etc. they sound like bad u2 songs, but soooo personal. same with the bends. then he broke down during ok computer a la billy corgan on siamese dream, and after the breakdown never released a personal intimate immediate work again. always the distance. radiohead makes up for it in sheer talent, Ti ability as a band, Se, and all of the design team they have perfecting the product (even the packaging!). but he seems like an unhealthy inf for sure to me. "meeting people is easy." true love waits sounds like an infj song to me, as does talk show host, street spirit, and planet telex. fake plastic trees and ok computer maybe too. actually today i'm back in the unhealthy infj camp, tho fake plastic trees to me SEEMS like Ne, as does paranoid android, etc, but it's really difficult to tell. the lyrics always have a coherency to them, karma police, my iron lung is so unhealthy inf, just- i'm not sure, high and dry seems infj. he seems like he has strong Ti to me, he very easily could be a really unhealthy Fe type (poor guy). he can't keep the opinions and attitudes of others outside of his own skin. today i think infj. i think johnny greenberg is probably infp or isfp.
    I guess all I can say to this right now is that I still think the two guys in Radiohead are intps, just very emotionally charged guys, and that I've met plenty of intps who are super sensitive compared to me. So much for the facts...

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    layne staley seems i to me. the body of an overdosed extravert would be found before it had decomposed. he was way trapped in his own world. maybe isfp. and the prince characterization of isfp makes more sense than any other i've heard so far. i would have guessed fiona apple is an isfp too a la kirsten dunst. she seems introverted with Fi dom.
    I'm not going to look them the hell up right now and take your word for it. It's just that I'm now starting to recognize what it really means to be isfp, and not inXp (or looking like entj on videos) so my experience isn't worth much at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    beck and cat power, as far as music just happening, just coming out- that seems way more infp to me than intp. intps deconstruct the shit out of everything. they plot, they arrange their ideas explicitly and articulate them over and over. it's exhausting and when they get the bug, they dive into it 100% without stopping. they keep writing, they get jacked up on speed, they cannot stop or sleep or eat bc they are working constantly. beck and cat power seem like the music comes out of Ne, they're feelings are strong and well-developed, songs come out easily bc they can project their feelings so powerfully even if the formal construction is hackneyed, boring, repetitive, etc. beck writes mutations and sea change, there's like two or three interesting compositions between the two records. but they're listenable bc of Fi. same with cat power, every cat power record may or may not be a covers record bc it doesn't even matter. it's her singing. (except the moon is a great great song).
    I'm not convinced. And I believe you're prodding in the dark like me with your description here. As a primary Fi, I don't hear it in their music. Maybe a well-projected tertiary Fi.

    Looking at (YouTube - Cat Power - I don't blame you), I find her deliver rather up front and direct, and her song itself constructed like a house, brick by brick by logical brick.

    And back to Beck (YouTube - Beck interview - The Information 2007)... focus on the background song. There is a different feel to compositions with beats between intp and infps to me. On one hand, infps are more concerned with the placements of the individual beats, the timing and such. At the same time, intps are also concerned about the placements of the beats, only they are able to just "let it happen" logically and "build" their song depending on how they "feel." Back to infps, they look at each placement as imperative to the final result and lasting impact on listeners, therefore are more susceptible to being influenced. You have mentioned that intps break boundaries in music. They certainly do. And they certainly do make music according to how they "feel", because they do feel, feel what they think.

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    bowie has got to be a p. his first function is Pe, i just don't know if he's an n or an s. i think he's a t tho for sure.
    I want to hear why. On top of what I already mentioned to you, his Fe does seem too low to be the popular choice, enfj. So if Bowie's estp, does that help cement the idea that Iggy's intj?

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    miles as an entj i could maybe see. i've read his autobiography and he struck me WAY more as an isfp. felt like bob dylan memoirs or john steinbeck travels with charley. he has the same understatement, simplicity, focus, etc, and he seems intent on leading quietly, directing the course of the music in an Fi kind of way to me. i don't know tho, he could be an istj or isfj for all i know. he always give people space to be themselves. coltrane i think has to be an infp. his conversion shit, a love supreme, i dunno let's keep this one going.

    re: a love supreme, carlos santana also seems isfp to me, agree/disagree?
    Jazz is beyond me tonight and probably the rest of spring break. I guess I'll take your word for it if you spent time reading his book. Yeah, he played with Prince in the 80s, so both could be isfps? That'd make sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    jimmy page and robert plant as enfjs? jimmy page HAS to be an introvert. plant could be an enfj, i would see that as a possibility. i personally hate him, he has a glory complex, the lyrics have some Ni to them, i think. jimmy page seems like he could be an isfp or an infp or an intp or an istp. i really have no idea. i'd guess t over f pretty strongly, without hearing him speak.
    Well, looking here at this interview of Page (YouTube - Jimmy Page interview & Led Zeppelin Reunion O2 Rock and Roll), I definitely see/hear Fe. But not dominant Fe. No. He stresses how expertly his band plays (1:10) rather than how great he feels to still be playing. This was a band that you've always heard about them aiming to be the loudest band ever, or something along those lines. And we know page was the driving force in the band. So I'd revise my guess and say that he's istp.

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    also, i thought kate bush seemed to be considered an infp? i would guess enfp/infp, with the best advice being that she seemed very introverted. her grandeur seems very Ne to me, not Ni.
    You know what? I'm going to jump right out and say that Kate is an ISTJ. I know a girl who has been in several of my classes over the years and they seem very similar. Moreover, I don't hear dominant Fi in her music. Very plodding, step by step snorefest music. And remember how we decided that Tori Amos is istj? There's a duet on youtube between the two of them (YouTube - Kate Bush, Tori Amos "Duet"). Robots.

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    i'll check out this interview. what is this infj/intp combo myth you speak o? i NEED to hear about it!

    i often have trouble with infj/intp typing, i've seen writers like vladimir nabokov and my favorite writer donald barthelme seem very borderline. the Ti presence in some infjs is very strong and confuses matters, and Ni/Ne are very difficult in lyrical type expressions. Ni is highly contextual within your own interpretative framework/environment, but your framework/environment may be extremely weird and twisted. also, it is. i have similar problems with songwriters like stephin merritt, of the magnetic fields, today i think he's an infj instead of an intp. i'm settled on lou as a quintessential intp example, but also the elvis costellos, the andrew birds, the sufjan stevens, they could be an aloof withdrawn introverted excessively masked infj. cashmir pulaski day!
    I have to start reading these book things.

Page 12 of 33 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. songwriters/musicians
    By the state i am in in forum Popular Culture and Type
    Replies: 142
    Last Post: 07-05-2016, 01:34 PM
  2. [INFJ] I'm hijacking some amazing musician/songwriters and putting them in the INFJ basket
    By Reverie in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 04-20-2012, 06:54 AM
  3. [MBTItm] Meritorious NFs?
    By SolitaryWalker in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 59
    Last Post: 07-07-2009, 10:44 PM
  4. [NF] Question for NFs.
    By SolitaryWalker in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 116
    Last Post: 02-09-2009, 01:24 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •