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    I think it boils down to intentions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    Maybe the snide remarks issue is an Introverted Thinker thing? The two people who are masters of it in my life are both INTPs.
    Can you explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRandom View Post
    Some years ago a couple of ISTJs caused a realization in me that basically all of their joke remarks are based on truth. It's just that whilst putting out their joke remarks, they are also being completely clueless that they are actually sharing their deeper thoughts; the things they wouldn't otherwise say. They don't realize that joking about it reveals their inner thoughts. I'm sorry I don't have any examples right now... I used to have... what a worthless post, huh...

    Yea, the first time along I do a double take and instantly analyze it,, as in, where did that come from? The second or third time, I start thinking of what it is that I am projecting to this particular type/person/generation. The third or fourth, I come to your conclusion about them revealing their inner thoughts but am not too sure that they are that clueless...

    ISTJs are also good at killing good mood and inspiration with few uncarefully selected words. Consider the following cheesy dialog as an example:

    Person: "Look, I bought a new sofa "
    ISTJ: "The fabric is torn under there."
    Person: "Yeah... it was cheaper. Well, look at these new curtains."
    ISTJ: "They don't match."
    Person: "A-ha..... I have a new phone "
    ISTJ: "Hmm... that model doesn't even have a camera."
    Person: "Right. Whatevvvv!!! "
    Tell me about it! Sounds all too familiar. Here you are all enthusiastic about something and they rain on your parade.

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    Congratulations, if you go any further with this then you will have the unhealthy ISTJ stereotype drilled into your head. I suggest talking to a few that are on here (most are healthy from who I've spoken to) or going on vent. There are three male ISTJs that are on vent normally.

    I just don't see what there is to hate about a healthy one. I can point out things I hate about any unhealthy example of any type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRandom View Post
    Some years ago a couple of ISTJs caused a realization in me that basically all of their joke remarks are based on truth. It's just that whilst putting out their joke remarks, they are also being completely clueless that they are actually sharing their deeper thoughts; the things they wouldn't otherwise say. They don't realize that joking about it reveals their inner thoughts. I'm sorry I don't have any examples right now... I used to have... what a worthless post, huh...

    ISTJs are also good at killing good mood and inspiration with few uncarefully selected words. Consider the following cheesy dialog as an example:

    Person: "Look, I bought a new sofa "
    ISTJ: "The fabric is torn under there."
    Person: "Yeah... it was cheaper. Well, look at these new curtains."
    ISTJ: "They don't match."
    Person: "A-ha..... I have a new phone "
    ISTJ: "Hmm... that model doesn't even have a camera."
    Person: "Right. Whatevvvv!!! "
    Ehh. Maybe I am like that but I don't notice. I more of just point out people's lack of logic. Like, yesterday, I was telling my mother that I didn't know how to do something and I wanted her to show me. I told her that there are actually things that I don't know how to do that my family thinks I do. The conversation went on and she apologized for something that I was just complaining about in general, not specifically her. I outright said, "Why are you apologizing? What does it accomplish to apologize? Let's just go outside and do what we're supposed to." She got a little flustered by that, but that's really how I view things like that. I want to get something done, I don't want to waste time with petty useless pleasantries.


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    My boss/center director/academic advisor is a hardcore ISTJ. He's not exactly the sarcastic, demeaning type, but I don't know if he knows how he comes across sometimes.

    Granted, he works with mostly very technical people and so doesn't have a real need to filter himself most of the time.. and I don't personally get offended by him..

    Quote Originally Posted by Immaculate Cloud View Post
    My buddy is an ENFP and I have seen other ENFP under ISTJ mothers or fathers get all miserable. Any pattern here...
    Well.. yeah.. they're practically opposite personality types; of course the ENFP is going to be uncomfortable with the ISTJ mindset.. just as ESFJ is nearly universally hated here, on an INTP-dominated forum..

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    Quote Originally Posted by greed View Post
    My boss/center director/academic advisor is a hardcore ISTJ. He's not exactly the sarcastic, demeaning type, but I don't know if he knows how he comes across sometimes.

    Granted, he works with mostly very technical people and so doesn't have a real need to filter himself most of the time.. and I don't personally get offended by him..



    Well.. yeah.. they're practically opposite personality types; of course the ENFP is going to be uncomfortable with the ISTJ mindset.. just as ESFJ is nearly universally hated here, on an INTP-dominated forum..
    Funny how ISTJs have the demeaning remarks. Are ESTJs just too busy telling people what to do that they don't have the time to criticize them like an ISTJ does?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Immaculate Cloud View Post
    I find that they can make those snide remarks that pass for jokes but which are thinly veiled criticisms. Of all the other MBTI types, aside from the obnoxiously loud ESFP's I find this type, the ISTJ's the most irritating and I tend to stay away from them whenever possible. I can take them in small doses and usually I then play it cool and try not to show my innermost self.
    That was uncalled for!, now you've made me sad, im going to go lock myself in a wardrobe and drown myself in tears, WHY DOES EVERYBODY HATE US.

    this forum reeks of evil.
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    I'm just seeing this thread now, why didn't anyone tell me about it! Oh well, here is my take on it:

    BlackCat is right [] , I have met evil ISTJ's and they piss me off. I have met cool ISTJ's and they pretty easy to get along with.

    There is a good and bad of every type. Also, remember that your "type" doesn't mean that you are 100% befitting to the type description. So their percetages could be wacked out and thus being the answer for their behavior.

    As for the negative statements/remarks, yeahhh... I have gotten myself into trouble from time to time over those, like in a previous poster's example:

    INFJ: "I got a new couch!"
    ISTJ:" Sweet, but it looks like a mouse was living in it! Look at the hole!"
    INFJ:
    ISTJ:

    This is a classic foot-in-mouth moment. I clearly didn't think before I spoke in this situation. It's NOT that I was TRYING to rain on the INFJ's nice new piece of furniture, I was merley stating an observation and maybe even WARNING him/her that there is a hole and he/she may have been ripped off.

    I generally redeem myself though after saying such things by explaining myself and my intentions. If the person's feelings are terribly hurt, I will do just about ANYTHING to make it up to them. This of course, depends on how important of a priority said person is in my life. But most of the time, either way I feel pretty guilty when I hurt people's feelings.

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    I think at its core, it's just a function of the obligatory T/F difference; differences in S/N and other axes can just drive it home.

    My ENTP brother-in-law responded to my EnFJ sister announcing a surprise romantic dinner by stating that he had another obligation, and she was hurt by that. When he told me the story, it just seemed obvious that he should have at least started out with "Thanks, but..."

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