[ENFP] Is this common ENFP behavior????

[ReadingRainbows]

Why is important that someone cares about people?
Just curious.


I have also heard that that statistics 1:25 (4%)

Yeah who is left to care about those people!!
Answer - Rainbows.

 

[Lady_X]

This is a catch 22...they care when you can offer them something.

i just can't believe that....you're saying this is true of nt's? or sociopaths?

 

[ReadingRainbows]

i just can't believe that....you're saying this is true of nt's? or sociopaths?

Sociopaths in general. They need certain motivation to do things.
(I don't wanna sound like the authority on this because I'm not) Either personal or personal gain, they have reasons for the stuff they do (sometimes its just because they can, like big kids really)

 

[EcK]

Yeah who is left to care about those people!!
Answer - Rainbows.

What?
Dude, so. Do you mean that if you help somebody out it hurts your feelings?

That it makes you bleed and you don't get any self esteem\pleasure\feeling of fulfillment out of it ?

If you want to go for the 'NTs are egoists' game. Your own logic just leads to one obvious statement, NFs would then be as if not more self centered.

 

[Lady_X]

explain it more eck...it's interesting and i don't quite understand.

 

[ReadingRainbows]

What?
Dude, so. Do you mean that if you help somebody out it hurts your feelings?

That it makes you bleed and you don't get any self esteem\pleasure\feeling of fulfillment out of it ?

If you want to go for the 'NTs are egoists' game. Your own logic just leads to one obvious statement, NFs would then be as if not more self centered.

that post was a joke but its hard to come out like that on the forum I guess.
"what is the NTs are egoists" game?

 

[EcK]

And cmon, sociopath are people with an impaired brain. It's actually a sickness making these people different enough that they don't feel the need or understand 'playing by the society's moral rules' as it was made for regular brained people.

A guy can be an asshole without being a sociopath, those are two different things.
I don't believe you can describe a sociopath as a clear T or F. They might look T because they don't understand the social norm. But they also have a lesser ability to learn from mistakes, I wouldn't call it a T trait.

As I said, It's a brain impairement, it's just like saying autists are ST or whatever, it's just a misuse of typing.

 

[ReadingRainbows]

And cmon, sociopath are people with an impaired brain. It's actually a sickness making these people different enough that they don't feel the need or understand 'playing by the society's moral rules' as it was made for regular brained people.

A guy can be an asshole without being a sociopath, those are two different things.

I still dont get it. I dated the first two and said it was worth a shot with the other guy because mental illness shouldnt limit relationships.

 

[ReadingRainbows]

And cmon, sociopath are people with an impaired brain. It's actually a sickness making these people different enough that they don't feel the need or understand 'playing by the society's moral rules' as it was made for regular brained people.

A guy can be an asshole without being a sociopath, those are two different things.
I don't believe you can describe a sociopath as a clear T or F. They might look T because they don't understand the social norm. But they also have a lesser ability to learn from mistakes, I wouldn't call it a T trait.

As I said, It's a brain impairement, it's just like saying autists are ST or whatever, it's just a misuse of typing.

Fair enough.

 

[EcK]

"what is the NTs are egoists" game?

It's confusing the fact we don't get our 'pleasure' from the same 'intellectual sources' with some good and bad polarization.

Let's take health as an example:
The extreme T approach of not directly helping people, accepting some will die because they cost too much to treat and and going for general measures could be and usually is more efficient even if less mediative than an extreme F mother theresa styled approach, which will on the other hand inspire other people to follow and look cooler on tv.

The two approaches will have different results in terms of public relation\ideologies and so on but make just as much sense on the personal level. We just use different means to arrive at the same conception of 'right' based on how our brains reward our actions and create a positive feedback loop and behaviorally positive reinforcements.

 

[ReadingRainbows]

It's confusing the fact we don't get our 'pleasure' from the same 'intellectual sources' with some good and bad polarization.

Let's take health as an example:
The extreme T approach of not directly helping people, accepting some will die because they cost too much to treat and and going for general measures could be and usually is more efficient even if less mediative than an extreme F mother theresa styled approach.

The two approach will have different results in terms of public relation\ideologies and so on but make just as much sense on the personnal level. We just use different means to arrive at the same conception of 'right' based on how our brains reward our actions and create a positive feedback loop and behaviorally positive reinforcements.

I wasnt suggesting that. I just like the different outlook, but thank you for explaining.

 

[EcK]

I wasnt suggesting that. I just like the different outlook, but thank you for explaining.

Ow, no worries, I didn't bother to read the thread anyway. Just wanted to ramble some with you guys.

 

[EcK]

It's sociopaths nature to pray on weaker people and try to upmanship them rather than teamplaying.
One may think that big corporate structure are perfect for them, and indeed they are.
Sociopaths lack empathy to quite a deep level and usually see emotive people as having a weakness they could exploit to their advantage.

 

[ReadingRainbows]

Ow, no worries, I didn't bother to read the thread anyway. Just wanted to ramble some with you guys.

YAY!! I love the teddy bear *cuddles the bear*

 

[IEE623]

How did you type him as an ENFP at first though?
Certainly not common among ENFP. And surely not common in any types at all.

 

[Amargith]

YAY!! I love the teddy bear *cuddles the bear*

Watch out, the teddy bear doesn't always know how to respond to NF-cuddles

 

[ReadingRainbows]

How did you type him as an ENFP at first though?
Certainly not common among ENFP. And surely not common in any types at all.

I sent him the test and he said he was an ENFP

 

[EcK]

So do I, so do I.

I sent him the test and he said he was an ENFP

True sociopath also have a bad prefrontal impulse control, they will often show as lacking empathy but yet highly reactive\aggressive at times.
It can basically look like Fi, strong internal values and emotional reactivity with no Fe (ability to relate to people, empathy).

The zones of the brain lighting up when a person sees for example, others experiencing pain or all the empathy based things simply don't light up in a true sociopath.

 

[Moiety]

This guys is not an F. I'm not even trying to defend the honor of ENFPs, I'm just saying this is not a thing an ENFP would do.

 

[ReadingRainbows]

So do I, so do I..

You what?

True sociopath also have a bad prefrontal impulse control, they will often show as lacking empathy but yet highly reactive\aggressive at times.
It can basically look like Fi, strong internal values and emotional reactivity with no Fe (ability to relate to people, empathy).

The zones of the brain lighting up when a person sees for example, other experiencing pain or all the empathy based things simply don't light up in a true sociopath.

This guy I am having problems with has Borderline personality disorder.
I got along better with the APD boyfriend in all honesty.