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    Everyone needs to be inspired to do things.

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    Ti can tell me what to do all it wants, but it won't work. i can't understand what and why i ever do anything, weighing feelings and contextual clues, it would require a degree in advanced mathematics to comprehend and symbolize it.

    plus, if i don't get a clear majority vote, i just keep thinking about what to do instead of choosing one and following thru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    Ti can tell me what to do all it wants, but it won't work. i can't understand what and why i ever do anything, weighing feelings and contextual clues, it would require a degree in advanced mathematics to comprehend and symbolize it.

    plus, if i don't get a clear majority vote, i just keep thinking about what to do instead of choosing one and following thru.
    LOL ditto. Except I don't think it requires any advanced math to understand it. In fact, I think "understanding" it actually makes it worse in a way, since you give in to the idea that you never actually follow through with anything anyway and always get stuck weighing things. Which makes you even more stuck. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

    I'm still stuck, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Everyone needs to be inspired to do things.
    I never claimed differently, but what we are discussing is a degree.

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    Yeah, I usually have to psyche myself up to get anything tedious done. Or put pressure on myself by conjuring up scary images of how angry people will get if I don't accomplish what was expected. Works great.
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    weighing the actual scale itself, etc. (i think i'm NiTi too, by the way).

    it's worst in social situations when i need to process lots of information quickly. it feels like i need more motivation and a clearer direction, which i don't have.

    i've realized how divorced and withdrawn i can be, i'll just stop participating and attuning my attention to Fe and using the only extroverted process i have that is halfway decent or that can tell me anything and just go into 100% introversion mode. in which case, everything becomes disastrous and i have no idea what is going on or how to respond or respect the feelings of others bc i am 100% stuck on my own confusion. i'm trying really hard right now to figure out how to use each function effectively and when to rely on each.

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    I will resurrect this.

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    More often than I like, less often than is functionally degrading. *hopes that makes sense*
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    I need motivation for mundane tasks, usually in the form of a deadline with real consequences. I will let dishes sit in the sink for days, leave clean clothes sitting in the laundry basket, etc, until someone tells me they are coming over and then I am running around like a mad woman cleaning things up. All of a sudden, I have motivation because I fear the embarrassment of looking like a slob.

    Otherwise, I will look at those things and think, "I could do that, but first I will read for a bit, drink my coffee, check my email". I think it's very much a P thing to reward yourself first, and then do the task. When I become tired with "play" because it's not fulfilling me in certain ways or because the work hanging over my head is now interfering with my enjoyment, then I will attack the work. I get things done quickly and well when I am in the right frame of mind. If I try and force it, I am so lethargic and half-assed that it's not even worth trying. I got very good at my past jobs at faking looking busy while I really goofed off, and then I'd cram all the work in by the deadline successfully. And hey, I got it done, didn't I?

    Inspiration is something I need for creativity (design in my case). It goes beyond the motivation of a deadline (which does help though). I need a muse. I can usually find it in other art forms, such as listening to music, looking at photography, etc. I also find I must clear my mind of practical worry so I can focus. I will go for a walk and look at the sky and trees. Then my mind is ready to create. It's a very good feeling to be in that place, but sometimes I cannot get there, or I get interrupted and can't find my way back.

    I also have issues with doing things in my head first and then not wanting to do them in reality "again", but that's a different story...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I need motivation for mundane tasks, usually in the form of a deadline with real consequences. I will let dishes sit in the sink for days, leave clean clothes sitting in the laundry basket, etc, until someone tells me they are coming over and then I am running around like a mad woman cleaning things up. All of a sudden, I have motivation because I fear the embarrassment of looking like a slob.

    Otherwise, I will look at those things and think, "I could do that, but first I will read for a bit, drink my coffee, check my email". I think it's very much a P thing to reward yourself first, and then do the task. When I become tired with "play" because it's not fulfilling me in certain ways or because the work hanging over my head is now interfering with my enjoyment, then I will attack the work. I get things done quickly and well when I am in the right frame of mind. If I try and force it, I am so lethargic and half-assed that it's not even worth trying. I got very good at my past jobs at faking looking busy while I really goofed off, and then I'd cram all the work in by the deadline successfully. And hey, I got it done, didn't I?

    Inspiration is something I need for creativity (design in my case). It goes beyond the motivation of a deadline (which does help though). I need a muse. I can usually find it in other art forms, such as listening to music, looking at photography, etc. I also find I must clear my mind of practical worry so I can focus. I will go for a walk and look at the sky and trees. Then my mind is ready to create. It's a very good feeling to be in that place, but sometimes I cannot get there, or I get interrupted and can't find my way back.

    I also have issues with doing things in my head first and then not wanting to do them in reality "again", but that's a different story...
    This is me, exactly.

    And the doing things in your head and then having to do them "again" -- yes! I think of it as the effort to cause things to materialize. I know precisely to the last detail what I'm going to do ... it's just a matter of doing it. The doing it seems incidental most of the time.

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