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    "It's important for me to get in touch with my own inner values. I shall schedule some time to do this. Which activities can I participate in to help me to do this efficiently and effectively?"
    I don't think this would work, for me.
    I don't know what my inner values are well enough to schedule around them.
    On top of that, I'm too introverted to "plan to go out", when I go out it's usually just a random "I feel like it" moment (that is going out alone, of course if it's with someone else, planning is usually required).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Oh, and INFJs? I may be misperceiving Fe here, but that cold, hard inner robot... she ain't that hidden.
    To INTJs? Not hidden. To other types? More hidden.

    My two cents.
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    Your two cents is on the money. (Indeed, INTJs probably make the mistake of interacting more with that inner robot than with the Fe.)


    On the Te-to-Fi idea, I mean something like, such Fi as is there is (something like) in service to the Te, so if Te is ignored, Fi is... adrift?

    Thinking probably won't answer a why question about tertiary feeling, but feeling will promote a particular line of thinking direction... maybe. Feeling will help you choose one strategy over another? So ignoring such plans and strategies and ideas the INTJ has, is in fact ignoring the feeling he has?

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    What's the point of doing this anyways? Do you just want to experience the "Feeling?" If you go about your daily lives and apply the Fi and Te then you will experience a good amount.

    Here is an example of how to embrace your Fi perhaps. Say that you like to ride your bicycle, you like to ride it because you get to observe your surroundings and you get in shape. Well, why not today do something extra with that bike ride? Say you take a different way because it seems prettier, or maybe you decide to go a different way because you felt like you wanted to be adventurous. Little things like that that will spark emotions within you, that is embracing your inferior feeling.

    And as for the INFJ robot theory, my best friend is one and I often times see this robot in action. It's not just you guys that see it.
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    Indeed, INTJs probably make the mistake of interacting more with that inner robot than with the Fe.
    Not really, the Fe is pretty refreshing to me. And I think the Te in INTJs is refreshing to the INFJs. It's a mutual relationship, both secondary functions feeding the others third function. With Ni supplying the understanding, which is important, because Ni is very important. Personally I feel distant if someone doesn't understand or trust "gut instincts."

    On the Te-to-Fi idea, I mean something like, such Fi as is there is (something like) in service to the Te, so if Te is ignored, Fi is... adrift?
    I always though of the functions like this (but I'm not an expert):
    ~First function feeds second and third.
    ~First and second are how the individual primarily deals with the world.
    ~Third is relaxing, although it is third, and not as powerful or developed as the first and second. I think it's called the "aspiration" function?
    ~Fourth is what acts up when the individual is stressed. Largely ignored.

    Hmm here is an intersting site I just found,
    My MBTI Personality Type - Understanding MBTI Type Dynamics - The Eight Function-Attitudes
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    My MBTI Personality Type - Understanding MBTI Type Dynamics

    Thinking probably won't answer a why question about tertiary feeling, but feeling will promote a particular line of thinking direction... maybe. Feeling will help you choose one strategy over another? So ignoring such plans and strategies and ideas the INTJ has, is in fact ignoring the feeling he has?
    When you ignore an INTJs strategies and ideas, they are probably more tied into Ni not Fi. If an INTJ had to choose one strategy over the other they would probably rely on their intuition not their feeling. Although Ni and Fi get mixed up a lot, and I'm just as confused as most people about that one. It's hard to place labels on things with INTJs when differentiating between Ni and Fi.

    I guess this confusion is summarized by the old saying,
    "It's just my gut feeling."
    Is that intuition or feeling? Heh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    What's the point of doing this anyways? Do you just want to experience the "Feeling?"
    Yeah, are you trying to develop Fi? Or, just trying to understand it's role in your life presently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalMethod View Post
    It's a mutual relationship, both secondary functions feeding the others third function. With Ni supplying the understanding, which is important, because Ni is very important. Personally I feel distant if someone doesn't understand or trust "gut instincts."
    True.

    Yet, I think Te and Fe bump heads more often than cooperate. Organizing the outer world, is often a point of contention for my INFJ gf and I. I've read similar experiences on INTJf. For us, it's really a maturity issue, but hopefully we grow out of it in time.

    Nonetheless, I'm able to organize her thoughts when no one else understands. We also have similar bad habits from Se. I think we really get each other when we set aside Fe vs Te. I will agree with the mutual relationship statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    What's the point of doing this anyways?
    Long standing disagreement with the word "gooey" as applied to me.

    Here is an example of how to embrace your Fi perhaps. Say that you like to ride your bicycle, you like to ride it because you get to observe your surroundings and you get in shape. Well, why not today do something extra with that bike ride? Say you take a different way because it seems prettier, or maybe you decide to go a different way because you felt like you wanted to be adventurous. Little things like that that will spark emotions within you, that is embracing your inferior feeling.
    Spy! Spy! You've been spying!

    That is indeed exactly what I use my bike for. Every ride deliberately includes paths seen before but not yet traveled.

    EDIT: I haven't thought too clearly why I prefer that in a ride--I just know that I do and that or something like it is often an essential part of feeling good about the day. "I saw something new, I did something different, and it wasn't random because the new part of it now fits into a larger puzzle, and I feel good" kinda result. The bike ride thing often includes taking turns at likely spots and keeping on rolling with a target in mind, a road "over there" that I expect to find if I keep moving in the right direction, and meanwhile soaking in the new environment. I do fairly regularly get lost and anxious, and a little tiny bit heroic, say, an hour later when I finally find the way home. (Laugh all you like, dear reader, but I ride in the Chinese countryside.)

    And as for the INFJ robot theory, my best friend is one and I often times see this robot in action. It's not just you guys that see it.
    Okay, well you knew about the bike thing, so welcome to the Sees Through INFJ Smokescreens Club.



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    Every time I read this topic title I feel nauseous and think "what a terrible myth to perpetuate". Then I think of melting innards and what that would look like.

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    I personally love it when an INTJ either decides to drop the wall of Te or is unable to sustain said wall so I can get to the Fi. It's a very special moment which is much appreciated from our side (we're willing to wait for it though )

    You should also realize that to some people, that Te wall is transparant and they can actually see what lies behind it, it's just not possible to get to it from the get-go. Hence the desire to get there...they know it's there

    INTJs that have a weaker Fi-'flame' also feel colder, though I've never known there not at least to be a spark.
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