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    Default the problem with money..

    the thing that I've found ironic & bothersome about 'money' is actually of how society are using it.
    i agree, money by itself is just a tool.
    it's just a mere paper with green-printed numbers on it. a formation of particles, molecules. nothing more.
    but the problem is , as usual, the People, who've created the 'system' .

    The sad truth that i've always found is how the 'system' only seems to allow certain type of people to get very rich & succesful.
    For example, people who just love doing business, or people who just love the rat-race.
    But for the vast majority of 'creative' people, or 'highly-sensitive' people, sometimes, or often, our minds and hearts are actually not in the money, but rather in somewhere else. For example: in creating arts, in helping people, consoling people, in sharing laughter,..basically all the 'abstract immeasurable' things.

    And i've observed that, for these type of people, unfortunately, money doesn't come that easily.
    For example, blatantly speaking, we all know that creating arts, helping & counseling people just doesn't create big money, as compared to working in stock market, or Finance institutions, or building a manufacture or factory, or working in oil company, stuff like that.

    and that's where the 'problems' seem to come: people (or society, at large generally) start comparing. and seeing those who don't excel in money-making as "not succesful" enough, or "doesn't do any 'real' stuff", or "being spoiled" , etc etc.

    And that's honestly what made me a bit hating the concept of 'money' , sometimes even to a point where i've just asked myself "does this world really need money so much, to continue living in day-to-day basis? will it ever comes the time where Money won't be the major-determinant in everything? and perhaps, people can share with each other? or invent other 'system' , by being high-aware & sensitive?"
    or perhaps I'm just talking mumble-jumble & B.S ..

    Or maybe I just hate how this world (& society) operates generally..
    I don't know..
    I've realized that I've might just rambling here..
    and perhaps even I don't 'deserve' to talk like this, since I'm still living in a relatively 'safe & secure' environment.. which makes me like a damn 'spoiled brat' for talking like this (?)
    but I can't help to feel like this sometimes, feeling how 'cruel' our society has become nowadays, all just for that small-little green thing called : Money.

    what do u guys think on this topic?
    let's share & discuss.

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    DoubleplusUngoodNonperson Array
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    Money is a tool indeed, but it is also a projection of how much VALUE human beings ascribe to an object, things or activity. It's a direct physical result of our commercial nature....

    This means, as you pointed out, that some will get more money than others, because we don't value all human activities to be the same. This is where a lot of frustration comes into play, ESPECIALLY for NFs because it's hard to see why things shouldn't be equal. Like it or not, what Carnegie and Gates did for the world is worth (money-wise anyway) much more to humankind than the artist down the street making oil paintings, or the philisophy student trying to work his way out of Descarte's dream hypothesis.

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    Senior Member Array blanclait's Avatar
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    Usually money is payed higher according to # of people actually being capable of performing that task.

    Many people can cook burgers, so they offer like $8
    not many can make a program so they offer $x.xx

    You see volunteer, arts, music, etc. ANYONE can do it.
    But, not anyone can treat a patient, or create a software.

    But those who can actually can do arts counsel extremly well can make ALOT of money. So i don't see what's really wrong about it.

    Or is this about some temperaments not exactly set up for society's ideal personality. therefore you think its unfair that ESTJ can earn alot more easily due to carrying personality that is suited for the average job? Opposed to NF?

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    I agree with the above, dont forget that SFPs have the same problem as NFs in the economy. Ts seem to have it easier since they like working out problems and constructing logical ideas/things that make humanity move smooth(er). A lot of high-end paying jobs are very competitive.

    ENTJs running a business? Its almost like running an army against another army. Trying to absorb other businesses into theirs, making it grow.

    ETPs and the stock market? Lots of manipulation and hunches/luck go into being good at that. It can get very fast paced.

    Just a couple hypotheses/guesses/examples.

    NFs have the 'people' niche. Too bad most of the jobs in that niche are to the downtrodden. financially depressed, et c. not for rich people or for the whooole population like megacorperations/inventions/medical firms are.

    Another thing is that NFs are more like the oil that keeps the gears from shredding each other. We can help smooth out people-problems, crusade for human rights (Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr. ) We are the ones that lash out against injustice/control.

    I wonder what would happen if all the NFs went to some other planet for a couple decades/generations...

    'Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and its better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring.' - Marilyn Monroe

    This is who I am, escapist, paradise-seeker.

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    Senior Member Array Nonsensical's Avatar
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    The majority of conflict arises for the desire of money, or power- which also can mean money..

    Money is a disease.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    I feel similar kind of frustration... It isn't so much about money, it is more about the inequality nozflubber referred to. Long story short, the market and I, we have different values... It seems like the market is taking the society into a wrong direction and there is very little anyone can do.

    Money rules through the feeling of insecurity. Lots of money means more security. Before money had this strong grip, there was always some limit to how secure you need to be, or can be. You have enough firewood and food to get through the winter and it is enough, it has to be enough since there isn't anything more you could have. But now it is never enough because, unlike food or wood, money doesn't go bad. So, we hoard...

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    Senior Member Array Chris_in_Orbit's Avatar
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    I don't get it...
    You say creative and sensitive people don't make as much money but also say they usually don't care as much about money. I don't see the problem.

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    I think that a personal focus on material things is an empty one. We're told that all our lives -

    You can't take it with you
    Money doesn't buy happiness
    A bird in the hand. . .
    Root of all evil

    And yet there are very few people who pay attention to those aphorisms. But they exist because there is truth in them.

    Because the people who amass the most money are usually those with materialistic, rather than humanistic, values money is rarely spent in the way which would benefit the betterment of humankind.

    Even when materialists envision gifts to humanity, their focus is limitted and the money is often applied for the wrong reasons or in the incorrect manner.

    Two separate sets of values=two separate methods of evaluation of needs.

    Why does the emphasis on materialistic gain win out over altruistic gain? Because the latter is an acquired taste which probably involves some measure of perceived deprivation. And human nature, being what it is, usually looks for the path of least resistance.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    I don't get it...
    You say creative and sensitive people don't make as much money but also say they usually don't care as much about money. I don't see the problem.
    Not caring about making money is one thing and getting food on the table is another. It is difficult to find a balance. For me the problem is that the career choices possible for me are limited as the only motivation for many jobs is only money. I want something more out of my work. So, because I don't care that much about money, I am more picky about the other aspects of work. These things are not appreciated that much so it is hard to make myself useful.

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    12 and a half weeks Array BerberElla's Avatar
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    The problem with money is I never have enough of it.
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