[MBTI General] How can I "develop my Introverted Feeling"?

[BlueScreen]

So is there any real difference between ENFPs and INFJs?

In ultimate goals, probably not that much. In method and approach to achieving the goals, yes.

 

[Jack Flak]

So is there any real difference between ENFPs and INFJs?

Well, if you look at my little scheme, you'll see that INFJs are F/N while ENFPs are N/F. So your question should be "Is there any real difference between ENFPs and INFPs?" And yes, there is, obviously, and theoretically--I/E affects function use in unspecified ways: Unspecified because to specify is to go too far and screw it up.

 

[BlueScreen]

I think what I was trying to say in the other post is ENFP is more analytical with their reading of the external world. We don't read or feel the impact of emotions as directly. The intuition is extroverted rather than the feeling, so the feeling in the outer world is more invoked by empathy. INFJs seem like they have a direct emotional channel, but the intuition references less external stuff, goes less crazy mapping the scene.

I realise Jack is going to say this means basing our view of others on self, and in a way emotionally we do, but perspective wise we don't. Ne runs through too much to ever detach that much from the reality of a situation.

 

[BlueScreen]

Well, if you look at my little scheme, you'll see that INFJs are F/N while ENFPs are N/F. So your question should be "Is there any real difference between ENFPs and INFPs?" And yes, there is, obviously, and theoretically--I/E affects function use in unspecified ways: Unspecified because to specify is to go too far and screw it up.

INFJs are dominant intuitives. You should be able to tell that. And they can probably tell you and help fix the system. Just because their extroverted function is seen more in the world, doesn't mean it is used more or stronger.

 

[Jack Flak]

INFJs are dominant intuitives. You should be able to tell that. And they can probably tell you and help fix the system. Just because their extroverted function is seen more in the world, doesn't mean it is used more or stronger.

I've analyzed the situation over a long period of time, with mountains of ability, and come to a different conclusion. Let's compare the INFP and the INFJ, briefly.

Premises:
J=preference for output; P=preference for input
N=Input; F=Output

Conclusion:
INFJ=Preference for F; INFP=Preference for N

Now, this is fairly abstract, but I invite you to consider what each item means when applying the model to real individuals.

 

[Orangey]

INFJs are dominant intuitives. You should be able to tell that. And they can probably tell you and help fix the system. Just because their extroverted function is seen more in the world, doesn't mean it is used more or stronger.

If their extroverted function is seen more in the world, then how should you be able to tell that they're dominant introverted intuitives? Only they could tell, since it's use is internal. For the rest of us, their Fe would be most obvious.

 

[BlueScreen]

I've analyzed the situation over a long period of time, with mountains of ability, and come to a different conclusion. Let's compare the INFP and the INFJ, briefly.

Premises:
J=preference for output; P=preference for input
N=Input; F=Output

Conclusion:
INFJ=Preference for F; INFP=Preference for N

Now, this is fairly abstract, but I invite you to consider what each item means when applying the model to real individuals.

Why relabel J and P, as F and N? And what do F and N have to do with input and output? Isn't that more an I/E thing?

 

[BlueScreen]

If their extroverted function is seen more in the world, then how should you be able to tell that they're dominant introverted intuitives? Only they could tell, since it's use is internal. For the rest of us, their Fe would be most obvious.

Talk to them? You also see the indirect effects. Fi expresses itself quite strongly indirectly also. ISFP and INFP are almost unmissable.

 

[Jack Flak]

Why relabel J and P, as F and N? And what do F and N have to do with input and output?

It's easier to explain that way. Judging functions assess, and Perceiving functions gather. It's hard to argue against J=Output and P=Input.

Isn't that more an I/E thing?

Not on the whole. ESxPs are unconcerned with output compared with ISxJs.

 

[Orangey]

Talk to them?

Pfft. The only way talking to someone is going to produce the sentence "I use Ni mostly" from a supposed INFJs lips is if they feel they fit the INFJ description, and have internalized the prescribed function order usually listed after the description. It doesn't mean that they do actually use Ni mostly.

 

[BlueScreen]

It's easier to explain that way. Judging functions assess, and Perceiving functions gather. It's hard to argue against J=Output and P=Input.


Not on the whole. ESxPs are unconcerned with output compared with ISxJs.

Yeh, I only know an isolated group of types that are similar to mine. You are right ESxPs do a lot of organising things and stuff. Which is very different to ENFPs who tend to go with the flow more. I thought that was the N/S difference though and living in the here and now.

 

[BlueScreen]

Pfft. The only way talking to someone is going to produce the sentence "I use Ni mostly" from a supposed INFJs lips is if they feel they fit the INFJ description, and have internalized the prescribed function order usually listed after the description. It doesn't mean that they do actually use Ni mostly.

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The ones I know irl don't know their function order though, and decisiveness and philosophizing seems to come ahead of being emotional. They have the same tendency as ENFPs in that sense. The emotional is there but less ever present than with INFPs or ENFJs.

 

[Glycerine]

I've analyzed the situation over a long period of time, with mountains ofability, and come to a different conclusion. Let's compare the INFP and the INFJ, briefly.

Premises
J=preference for output; P=preference for input
N=Input; F=Output

Conclusion:
INFJ=Preference for F; INFP=Preference for N

Now, this is fairly abstract, but I invite you to consider what each item means when applying the model to real individuals.

I know I am Dom Ni because I spend hours in my head making connections between things and processing things and I use Feeling and Sensing to verify my ideas. The thing is I only verbalize my ideas to a select few so Feeling is how come off to world. From what you are saying, i would be INFP. haha, I drive most INFP's nuts because my intuition is always going and making connections. If only you could go inside an INFJ mind, you would truly know.

 

[Orangey]

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The ones I know irl don't know their function order though, and decisiveness seems to come ahead of being emotional. They have the same tendency as ENFPs in that sense. The emotional is there but less ever present than with INFPs or ENFJs.

Decisiveness ahead of anything else only points to their being an extroverted judger (judger...made up word).

 

[Jack Flak]

I know I am Dom Ni because I spend hours in my head making connections between things and processing things and I use Feeling and Sensing to verify my ideas. The thing is I only verbalize my ideas to a select few so Feeling is how come off to world. From what you are saying, i would be INFP. haha, I drive most INFP's nuts because my intuition is always going and making connections. If only you could go inside an INFJ mind, you would truly know.

It amuses me greatly that you're using an almost identical argument to claim Ni dominance that some INTPs use to claim Ti dominance.

No one has any idea what they're talking about.

 

[Glycerine]

It amuses me greatly that you're using an almost identical argument to claim Ni dominance that some INTPs use to claim Ti dominance.

No one has any idea what they're talking about.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. If it tells you anything my views tend to align more w/ Evan and Mlittrell.

 

[Jack Flak]

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. If it tells you anything my views tend to align more w/ Evan and Mlittrell.

That makes sense.

 

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[Avocado]

Interesting…

 

[Amargith]

Lol, one of the bigger derails of a thread, Id say.