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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    "Be BlueWing" is one way.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    See? That's what I'm talking about with the "not true" and "against me."

    Way to post that AFTER a counter example.

    (Anger shown by the fact that I'm actually irritated enough to post, when really I should just shrug it off because this is just what he does.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Frank, you're not going to to get your questions answered. The least preferred function of an INFP is Thinking, as a result many are led to demonize many ideas associated with Thinking. They often get upset when matters of Thinking are applied directly to their personal lives. Hence, such INFPs will interpret your thread as an attempt to analyze them, which strikes them as a grave evil.

    If you want to understand INFPs, you need to observe them on your own, and carefully analyze them on your own endeavor. You will not understand the INFPs by discussing with them, because discussion inevitably introducing Thinking into the matter which they loathe. In short, do not be trying to have a reasonable discussion with INFPs on this board. That is very naive of you. They will almost always find a way to misunderstand your message, attribute sinister motives to your intentions and assume this is all some kind of an underhand attack on their character. Some INFPs will not behave in such a fashion, yet they will still fail to provide answers to your questions. In order to give you the answers that you are seeking, one must carefully think through the problem you have posed. Most INFPs on this board are not skilled enough at this activity to answer the question.

    Just give up on this, do your own research.

    I suppose, to be fair, I could tackle this piece of negativity. SW is presenting a stereotypical unhealthy INFP here.

    A healthy INFP will have these tendencies but will resist playing mind games with other humans. Any healthy type knows that that is not the way to mutual understanding.

    We sometimes find it difficult to put our thoughts/feelings into language that some of the other types are able to comprehend. Some of us haven't learned how to state that in an honest and straightforward way.

    Understanding is a two-way street in that, while it requires openess from the one being questioned, it also requires open-mindedness on the part of the questioner.

    A healthy INFP will make an effort to give people a peek at their makeup but given my natural sensitivity to harsh criticism I tend to avoid doing so with people who have preconceived notions of my abilities/motivation.

    There. That wasn't so hard, I think.

    If people seem genuinely interested in me and I don't sense any hostile intent behind the questions I don't have any problem offering personal material.
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    I think INFPs are most willing to talk about their lives. I have talked about this subject couple of times already so... I don't bother right now. I might dig up the threads, though... if it's of any help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    A healthy INFP will have these tendencies but will resist playing mind games with other humans.
    I play mind games with dogs. That is the healthy way.

    EDIT:

    Here's a couple of related threads... I didn't find the one that is answering exactly the questions of the OP, though... Maybe someone else will:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...nf-values.html
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...-explodes.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Frank, you're not going to to get your questions answered.
    SolitaryWalker, I take your opinion seriously in virtue of your value for it, yet I also don't take you seriously, for the thought that you may want to change your opinion later and not be held to what you've said. I think I can speak for others here, even if they seem to disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    I was wondering what in others can bring out your mean or aggressive side?
    I struggle with indifference. The relationship between Rei Ayanami and Asuka Langley Soryu in Neon Genesis Evangelion is exactly the dynamic I have in mind. I can act JUST like Asuka, trying to impress people but also being insecure about my own abilities and my ability to fit in. Sometimes, everyone in the world can seem like an indifferent Rei who won't look at me or take me seriously, and where I'm typically calm, in moments I can lash out as hysterically as Asuka can when I feel particularly alienated.

    You can ask, what causes this feeling? And it is my own attacks on myself. I understand the perceptual nature of the dynamic. It's all in my head, and that's the only place I can work with it. So you can ask, what behaviors in others trigger self-attack? But I would wonder if you haven't been paying attention. It is a matter of perception. Perceiving external causes to internal conflicts are always projections which are illusory.

    Asuka says it herself, "this isn't me". And it's not me either. It's just a common psychological/behavioral pattern I've experienced. But I mean to be clear: even its reappearance over time doesn't mean it has any power, or is true in its implications. I simply make mistakes in my thinking. The dynamic my be completely depersonalized, and thus generalized. For wasn't alienation everyone's fundamental "problem"? Every human dynamic is ultimately expressed in every individual, either implicitly or explicitly, because every functional attitude is required to compose the human. What then is the importance of preferences for tendencies to over- or under-express certain dynamics except as a matter of contingent natural or learned ability?

    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    You will not understand the INFPs by discussing with them, because discussion inevitably introducing Thinking into the matter which they loathe. ... In order to give you the answers that you are seeking, one must carefully think through the problem you have posed.
    On the second point, SW has offered good advice. There's something to discussing the nature of things and people and ideas and such with others, but also a lot to be said for thinking critically about the matter yourself. True creativity always arose from the individual.

    On the first point, there is an element of truth, and we can take SW's statement as a warning. It's very easy for many of us feeler types to become over-enthusiastic about raw experience and take "The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" too much to heart, suspecting reason of necessarily abstracting and isolating oneself where the point is to live. But this crime is distinct from reason, which was always the sole faculty capable of producing clarity, and clarity the sole guarantee of safe passage through the unknown, where all that manifests is seen in the light of reason. (These words are not indifferently correlated.)
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    Shit! I think I'm more confused now then when I started this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    Shit! I think I'm more confused now then when I started this thread
    Well, to explain some of this.. SolitaryWalker has this reputation of making these negative statements about INFPs in particular. He is also known as BlueWing. If you don't know that, I bet you're confused.

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    Just needed a little attention tonight and so very INFP-like we generously provided it.

    You welcome, SW. Anytime.
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    Group hug!

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    Whoopee! "First, pls. explain exactly what you meant by that." she says, suspiciously.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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