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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Yes! My knee-jerk reaction is to believe that people are telling me the truth. It takes active effort for me to pick out unfavorable traits in people, and once I start I can have a hard time stopping.

    INFJs seem to naturally notice an inconsistency in someone's story, and are quick to zero in on whatever is sticking out until they pick out the lie.
    I take what people say at face value even when it's clear that they are exaggerating or outright lying. Everything a person says is telling you something about themselves!

    The picking up on others' feelings? There are times when I feel sudden alarm, or other intense emotion, for no apparent reason. If I look around at who I am with I can generally see where it's coming from.

    Am I actually "reading" their feelings? I don't know. Something in my makeup may be picking up subtle indications before either of us are even aware the emotion exists.

    Over time I've learned to pay attention and it's a good skill to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    I take what people say at face value even when it's clear that they are exaggerating or outright lying. Everything a person says is telling you something about themselves!

    The picking up on others' feelings? There are times when I feel sudden alarm, or other intense emotion, for no apparent reason. If I look around at who I am with I can generally see where it's coming from.

    Am I actually "reading" their feelings? I don't know. Something in my makeup may be picking up subtle indications before either of us are even aware the emotion exists.

    Over time I've learned to pay attention and it's a good skill to have.
    To an extent, I'll agree.. I take what people say at face value, even when they're blatantly hiding something or otherwise being dishonest. In the sense that I won't make it apparent to them that I realize this. I won't call them on it. I want to see where they're going with it. Motivations. And yeah.. all because as you said, everything a person says is in a way telling you something about themselves. I certainly don't trust them.. but they aren't aware of that.

    I definitely seem to be able to pick up on other people's feelings well; even people I've just met. I also have a tendency to understand a social group dynamic even when all parties are unfamiliar to me. If two people are sleeping together, or maybe used to, if there's some sort of tension or competition, or a closeness between two or more parties. Etc.

    I take in everything at once, and patterns emerge and I see the chain links and follow along. I don't make my judgements known until I know the person better, as this is apt to make someone potentially uncomfortable.
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    I also take everything in all at once, Lexicon. The room, the people, the emotion. Wham. All at once.

    I have a name for it. Gestault awareness. Borrowed from the psych.

    Then I need to break it down to make sense of it. Don't see the trees for the forest, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    You described Ni to a t. Note that anyone who tells you this means you're INFJ is a couple cans short of a six-pack.
    Makes sense. Food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollanaut View Post
    OK, now I'm really spooked! I just got back from my lunchbreak, which I spent in the local mall. I was browsing in a bookshop when I felt drawn towards a corner I never usually explore.

    Staring at me on the shelf was a huge hardback book with the title "TSUNAMI". Sure enough, it was all about the 2004 tsunami, literally minutes after our discussion here! When I opened the book it immediately fell open on a page discussing how a large tsunami could strike without warning in many locations around the world, possibly with even more casualties than in 2004.

    At this point, I got one of those unmistakable Ni tingles down my spine; for me these are usually the hallmark of a genuine Intuition rather than a mere coincidence. :eek:
    Wow, that's really interesting. My ex-boyfriend was an INFJ and he OFTEN spoke about having dreams that would come true.

    So if INFJ's special powers are incredible intuiton and prophecy then........ an INFPs special powers are........... JUST TO KNOW PEOPLE AND THEIR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS?? Boring!!!......... I'd rather foretell the future. :MAD:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    Going further into this, with the abitity to "read people", do you guys have the dilemma of feeling someone else's emotion so strongly that you think that you have become that person and you just feel like you are going to "explode"?
    ...oh, yes. I can 'model' another person so strongly that it becomes a bit overwhelming...

    But I can sometimes turn this off and on. It's like a room I can enter, and then leave again. Outside the room, I can see more logically, but inside it, is mostly feeling, which to me is the ability to see things from the other persons perspective. It's not empathy, but an attempt to model their internal emotions in an attampt to understand motive. I know that sounds crazy, but there it is.

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    What I know about people (interesting topic btw) stems from Si as in my storage of information and observations about cause and effect. This happened because of this last time so this time it will happen again because the motives/situations/personalities are similar/identical. And what I sense from Ne (which conflicts with Si) anything is possible, there is no limit, there are dozens of possibilities for each situation so even though in the past, it happened this way, if I don't have clear evidence that makes sense to me, then my mind explores many different options/scenarios. It leaves me very indecisive as to how to respond to someone sometimes.

    My Si is broadened and complicated by Ne which is shaped/sculptured by Fi, meaning I have high expectations. I don't always know how to forgive people when they behave outside of what I consider ethical even if I somewhat understand where they are coming from. I am not always open to certain personality traits when they are abrasive to me and I have had bad experiences with it and I see no other possibility except that that person is not someone I should open myself to.

    I don't know any healthy INFJs closely so I don't know what the contrast is. I am also great at predictions about the future as are ENFPs I hear so it is not just an INFJ specialty. It's the power (and curse) of intuition in the broad sense.

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    I do get vibes about things. These are more of an intuitive sense about things rather than a bizarre psychic understanding from a split second look (although that has happened once or twice) which seems to be more of an INFJ thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    This has been a very enlightening thread. Thanks everyone for sharing. Since we are pretty much all INFs here, I'm going to allow myself to get alittle 'airy-fairy' and long-winded.

    I can sometimes intuitively visualize emotions, almost as if they were physical objects. It's really hard to explain.. the best I can do is to describe them as having a string-like consistency, and usually they are intertwining with other emotions, rapidly moving along and 'slippery'. It's as if I could grab onto them to feel them, but never really be able to fully grasp them. Emotions don't always have the same feel, look, color, or brightness. They move with various speeds, some intertwine less with others, while others actually bend and fold upon themselves in insanely complicated pretzel like patterns. (The latter I tend to associate with INFJs.)

    Sometimes I don't get the 'string-like' feeling at all, but something more akin to a rock. My ISTJ grandfather was like that; a huge but impenetrable pile of emotions.

    My intuition is used largely to extrapolate and imagine possibilities. How would this person react to such and such? My intuition becomes greedy and wants to explore. I end up asking alot of questions if someone really interests me, or if I want to understand the emotion better. Metaphorically, I am reaching a hand out to 'feel' the emotion. It's all about studying and learning about what's going on underneath the surface. I'll even go as far as to create a archetype of someone in my head, and ask it questions, because for some crazy reason it actually can help me understand some things better.

    My thinking and detailed oriented side come into play by analyzing and experimenting with details in the real world. It's probably the side of me that makes me ask people questions I already know the answers to, simply to see how they word their responses, or to see if they are lying. Once they answer, I put a check on my clipboard, and move on. How did they react when I challenged an idea? Did they maintain eye contact, lean in closer or pull away? *checks clipboard* They laughed just alittle bit too hard at that joke. *makes a note to explore this later*

    I often find that I pick up certain details in the moment, but don't add them up until later when I'm reflecting and digesting everything. Then, suddenly, I realize that the person was probably lying to me, or that the girl was actually flirting with me. Oops!
    I really relate to the above, especially the stuff about needing to digest and analyze information in reflection. I don't imagine the emotions as a physical thing though, but I can feel them intently as if I am experiencing them for real.

    One final thing... INFPs can be very good at pretending to be other types, I think, because of our understanding of emotions. For example, ESTJ emotions often come across as sleek, shiny, hard, and thin to me. Oftentimes sharp, too. If I were to take the bundle of my emotions, and straighten and stretch them out a bit... perhaps set a couple of tangles off to the side, I can approximate ESTJ bahavior for a bit. I force my skin to become a bit thicker, I go into the situation knowing what I want, and I psych myself up a bit to do more social interaction that I normally would. Eventually, though, I tire out and go back to being my normal INFP self.
    I can't do the pretending part. I can imagine all of the rich and complex feelings and motivations of another person very different to myself so clearly and entirely but I can't put that into action. The feeling is too abstract to employ it in a practical manner - my body and my mind can't really connect in that way. I just tend to play out scenes in my head.
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    haha, I started thread over a year and a half ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Yes! My knee-jerk reaction is to believe that people are telling me the truth. It takes active effort for me to pick out unfavorable traits in people, and once I start I can have a hard time stopping.

    INFJs seem to naturally notice an inconsistency in someone's story, and are quick to zero in on whatever is sticking out until they pick out the lie.
    This is one thing I know I'm good at. I spot the glitch. Then I wait for the truth to come out. Or sometimes if I've had to wait too long, I just tell the other person their story has a hole in it, so what's the real deal? and they will tell me the rest of it. I always know when someone is hiding something.

    "Spotted glitch" sounds like some weird English dish.

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