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    Please don't assume from this thread that I only approach type from a cognitive process/type function angle; I also use type profiles, temperaments, interaction styles - whatever seems appropriate for a given context (as well as many other systems, including the Enneagram and NLP). I'm a great believer in a flexible attitude to life, as it provides many more options and choices.

    A good metaphor for the way I see the subject of typology would be an interactive map like Google Earth, with, say:

    temperaments = continents
    16 types = large nations
    cognitive processes = different regions within a nation (forests, deserts, cities etc).

    One can zoom out for a bigger picture, or zoom down to get more and more specific information. The cognitive processes themselves can be broken down into even smaller categories if desired, down to the equivalent of individual homes, people, atoms or sub-atomic particles. Or one can zoom all the way out into space and explore the unity we all share.
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    But the same process would be used on different continents (Ni in NF & NT, for example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollanaut View Post
    Please don't assume from this thread that I only approach type from a cognitive process/type function angle; I also use type profiles, temperaments, interaction styles - whatever seems appropriate for a given context (as well as many other systems, including the Enneagram and NLP). I'm a great believer in a flexible attitude to life, as it provides many more options and choices.
    I only assumed that you were using them in this case, and that's enough. For me, that I think Socionics function orders make more sense is enough to make me disregard MBTI's outright, every time, without hesitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    But the same process would be used on different continents (Ni in NF & NT, for example)
    Yes, just as each continent has similar mountains, plains, etc.
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    Ah.. I didn't take into account the same process being within several different nations.

    That's a great way to think about it, if you think of them as mountains, forests, bodies of water, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I only assumed that you were using them in this case, and that's enough. For me, that I think Socionics function orders make more sense is enough to make me disregard MBTI's outright, every time, without hesitation.
    Hi Jack. Don't think I don't appreciate the discussion we've been having here - I know that it is essential to listen to dissenting voices and to keep one's eyes open for alternate views.

    I have studied socionics as well, and have tried and tried to like and use their system, but at the end of the day, it just doesn't feel right to me. I'm sorry if that seems illogical to you, but, well, that's because Feeling is illogical (but not irrational).

    I also have other, deeper reasons for preferring the type function model, which are mostly to do with the connection to the Archetypes. I have neither the time nor the inclination to share those reasons right now, suffice it to say that if I did share them I would REALLY bring down the wrath of the skeptics onto my head, as they verge on the paranormal!
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    I also meant to add that I, too, have serious issues with the official MBTI. These relate to the way it is taught, what is taught, the deep flaws in the instrument itself, the way the results are used and most of all, the increasing commercialisation of the whole thing, which is entirely against the spirit of its founders.

    A good example of the latter would be the recent lunacy of forcing this forum to change it's name simply because of possible copyright infringement. What a petty waste of everyone's time, money and energy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    Ah.. I didn't take into account the same process being within several different nations.

    That's a great way to think about it, if you think of them as mountains, forests, bodies of water, etc.
    Thank you! I only just came up with this model, as a result of some thoughts provoked by the discussions in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollanaut View Post
    A good example of the latter would be the recent lunacy of forcing this forum to change it's name simply because of possible copyright infringement. What a petty waste of everyone's time, money and energy!
    Oh, I like that part. Less concern about smashing MBTI(TM) to bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Oh, I like that part. Less concern about smashing MBTI(TM) to bits.
    It so deserves to be brought down a peg or two!
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