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    After reading some website's article on a MB society where INFP's ruled all and progressively downwards you had each other types position, until you reached INT's at the bottom (pretty sure it was a joke), I couldn't help but think, which type would be the best at ruling others?

    So my mind conjured the three best fictional leaders that came to mind, Dumbledore, Gandalf and Moiraine, from HP, LOTR and WoT. There were other's but they become more and more unheard of.

    So the next step, to type these three, all INFJ's in my mind. Then to back this up, i thought of all the definite INFJ's i've talked to and i thought they were all amazing in the same, but more subtle a way, as those three.

    I then typed my favourite (fictional again) heroes, and they were all ENFJ's.

    While i believe all types are equal, after checking the NFJ descriptions part of me is now convinced that NFJ's are the best. Even though i'm sure type has nothing to do with how good a person you are.

    Anyway i'm sure i'm wrong, missing something obvious or making a fool of myself, but what do you non-NFJ's think of them and what do NFJ's think of themselves?

    Also what are NFJ's you know like?.

    Thanks, and i'm sorry for being crap at this. Oh and i'm well aware that little of my thought process was based in reality, I just want to know what NFJ's are like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    So my mind conjured the three best fictional leaders that came to mind, Dumbledore, Gandalf and Moiraine, from HP, LOTR and WoT. There were other's but they become more and more unheard of.

    So the next step, to type these three, all INFJ's in my mind.
    I disagree strongly about Gandalf (INTx). He's very detached and shows Te, not Fe. I don't know the others well enough to comment, however.

    Sorry to throw in a wrench so early, please continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I disagree strongly about Gandalf (INTx). He's very detached and shows Te, not Fe. I don't know the others well enough to comment, however.

    Sorry to throw in a wrench so early, please continue.
    By what you are saying he'd then seem like a well socialized INTJ.
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    I think Gandalf is more ENTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I disagree strongly about Gandalf (INTx). He's very detached and shows Te, not Fe. I don't know the others well enough to comment, however.

    Sorry to throw in a wrench so early, please continue.
    Hmmm, maybe, he's the one I know least of so i can't really say.

    You're probably right though now i think about it, he predicts things on a large scale and shows more force when influencing someone, whereas Dumbledore and Moiraine are best at predicting what individuals will do and are very good at manipulating people in a subtle way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    After reading some website's article on a MB society where INFP's ruled all and progressively downwards you had each other types position, until you reached INT's at the bottom (pretty sure it was a joke), I couldn't help but think, which type would be the best at ruling others?...

    Anyway i'm sure i'm wrong, missing something obvious or making a fool of myself, but what do you non-NFJ's think of them and what do NFJ's think of themselves?
    I've been in a number of leadership positions and enjoy it, but I would have to say that imo an ENTJ is especially well suited to leadership. Of course leadership is not just one thing. It depends largely on who is being led and why. There are scenarios when different types would succeed. For example, on the battlefield, an EST- would have an incredible advantage over any NF. For humanitarian efforts NFJs can certainly organize people, inspire with poignant language, and make something happen. To lead small children -F-Ps have a certain advantage in understanding the children and being ready for their spontaneous needs. One more aspect of leadership worth mentioning, you have to be able to take a TON of crap from people. Constant whining, complaining, second guessing, mud-slinging. Because of that I can't do it long-term or it makes me sick. T's will always have an advantage in that regard. As a general, sweeping statement, NFs work exceptionally well as high ranking support for a leader, and/or for leading smaller groups to specific humanitarian type goals.

    In a word, a leader needs to be able to represent the thinking, needs, and goals of those they lead. For leading a large, faceless mass, you do need an abstract thinker who thinks long-term, can organize and devise effective systems and put them into practice. ENTJ works rather well for that imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Maybe I'm not an NFJ, but I could not sacrifice the people I love for The Greater Good.
    I could see an NFJ sacrificing themselves for the Greater Good, but I can't see them ever sacrificing those who have been entrusted to them. They are VERY likely to try to bear the entire cost themselves.

    NTJs are much more likely to be able to make those types of sacrifices, even if it would still hurt them.

    Honestly, I really see the "leadership" thing as dependent upon context: The sort of leadership required, the type of organization, what goals need to be met.

    If we are talking purely the "stereotypical" leader type, though, as what Toonia is describing in her post, the "best" leader seems to me to be an ExTJ. NFs can lead in certain contexts, usually more involving keeping an organization synced into its primary mission (the heart and soul of the endeavor), but so often leadership seems to involve a lot of craptastic Te work, and that sort of thing can be very wearing on NFs, with their desire to personally connect with people and create meaning... not just impersonal progress towards a goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I've been in a number of leadership positions and enjoy it, but I would have to say that imo an ENTJ is especially well suited to leadership. Of course leadership is not just one thing. It depends largely on who is being led and why. There are scenarios when different types would succeed. For example, on the battlefield, an EST- would have an incredible advantage over any NF. For humanitarian efforts NFJs can certainly organize people, inspire with poignant language, and make something happen. To lead small children -F-Ps have a certain advantage in understanding the children and being ready for their spontaneous needs. One more aspect of leadership worth mentioning, you have to be able to take a TON of crap from people. Constant whining, complaining, second guessing, mud-slinging. Because of that I can't do it long-term or it makes me sick. T's will always have an advantage in that regard. As a general, sweeping statement, NFs work exceptionally well as high ranking support for a leader, and/or for leading smaller groups to specific humanitarian type goals.

    In a word, a leader needs to be able to represent the thinking, needs, and goals of those they lead. For leading a large, faceless mass, you do need an abstract thinker who thinks long-term, can organize and devise effective systems and put them into practice. ENTJ works rather well for that imo.
    The fact that you so precisely and correctly identified why NFJ's aren't superior leaders just convinces me more and more that NFJ's are superior in general

    From one problem to another . Unless I'm right, doubtful though

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