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    manipulating is something that happens in all facets of social life. so does influence, persuasion, coercion, trickery, deception, allying, bullshit, outright lying, etc.

    not caring what is good for others, assuming you know everything and being totally FIXATED on particular judgments and/or goals, and not giving a shit about what others want/care about/feel makes you a fucking jack-ass. and however you go about being that person and acting that way, you're a jack-ass.

    it's just a combination of n, s, t, f being used in ways that they need to be checked and balanced socially by other cross-functions, cross-purposes, etc. confidence can quickly become arrogance/ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    I cant find the original quote from Evan above but on so many levels I find it horrific.

    Now I have to apologize as that is my Fi gut response and I know it will sound offensive. I am watching the Fe mask/indirect approach fuck over my company right now. The indirectness is very destructive and the games are utterly useless and waste a lot of time and energy.

    What I see is that in a Te, Fi heavy crowd, Fe gets made excluded pretty quickly. It is ineffective and people can "feel" the fact that it is not behaving authentically. Even my INTPs are somewhat wary of INFJs. We can see through it.

    We can tell when the answer you give is hiding what you are really thinking-the answer is too "poised" and incomplete.
    I don't really get what is even immoral about what I said in that post.

    It was probably the wording.

    P.S. I'm INTP now. (And was before.) I think.

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    This whole thread is horse shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    This whole thread is horse shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    This whole thread is horse shit.
    Yup, PEOPLE are manipulative, not personality types. Everyone can be manipulative, but the types each have their own ways of doing it.

    And I really, REALLY expected an INFJ to have started the thread, since they are usually insane enough to make these threads. But it was an ESTJ. >_>

    I guess I can also infer that PEOPLE are insane, not personality types. And that everyone is insane in their own way.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    This whole thread is horse shit.
    So says the manipulator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Yes, I get the irony of an INFJ pretending to be INFP for the purposes of manipulation/experimentation on others and then saying that INJs don't manipulate. You cruel, cruel bastard.
    An INFJ wouldn't need to experiment. I don't know what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    So says the manipulator.
    You're not worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You're not worth it.
    You're just saying that because you think I'm stupid. But I'm not. You're just flippant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    You're just saying that because you think I'm stupid. But I'm not. You're just flippant.
    When did I ever call you stupid?
    WTF?

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