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    Default Can you move from J to P?

    I took the MBTI (at humanmetrics) maybe a year or two ago and was typed as an INFJ. After taking a pencil-and-paper version of the MBTI a few weeks ago with someone who is licensed to administer it, my type came out to an INFP, with my preference scores being I (19), N (35), F (0), and P (13). I took the test at humanmetrics again today to see what result I'd get, and I was again deemed an INFP, this time with a much stronger NF.

    Anyway, is it really possible to go from a J to a P? Do you think it may have been a fluke the first time? Is it common to get a different result if you take the MBTI more than once?

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    While one can certainly go from having more of the characteristics associated with a J to having more of the characteristics associated with a P, "going from J to P" would be such a fundamental shift in psychology that I have to doubt the extent to which it is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    While one can certainly go from having more of the characteristics associated with a J to having more of the characteristics associated with a P, "going from J to P" would be such a fundamental shift in psychology that I have to doubt the extent to which it is possible.
    That's what I thought as well. Ultimately it is the INFP description I identify with...I just wondered what others believed.

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    I've heard of several INFP's mistyped as INFJ's and vice versa. I think certain tests have a weakness for distinguishing between the J and P for INF's.
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    Your type cant change, though you may start acting like more of a J when you're a P and confuse yourself for a J. You can only be one or the other, its about the way your unconscious mind works, not your personality.
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    In MBTI, J/P are not traits in themselves, it describes whether you extrovert a perceiving function (S or N) or a judging function (T or F).

    INFP = Fi + Ne
    INFJ = Ni + Fe

    So shifting from J to P means that your primary and secondary functions are also different -- you have a completely different basis for your personality.

    So usually it means, if you shifted to a P mode now and feel the INFP is better a description, you were forced to find closure on things while younger that you would have rather left open-ended. Environment, family, certain occupations/school, all of these things impact our ability and desire for closure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    So usually it means, if you shifted to a P mode now and feel the INFP is better a description, you were forced to find closure on things while younger that you would have rather left open-ended. Environment, family, certain occupations/school, all of these things impact our ability and desire for closure...
    Can you give an example of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    In MBTI, J/P are not traits in themselves, it describes whether you extrovert a perceiving function (S or N) or a judging function (T or F).

    INFP = Fi + Ne
    INFJ = Ni + Fe

    So shifting from J to P means that your primary and secondary functions are also different -- you have a completely different basis for your personality.

    So usually it means, if you shifted to a P mode now and feel the INFP is better a description, you were forced to find closure on things while younger that you would have rather left open-ended. Environment, family, certain occupations/school, all of these things impact our ability and desire for closure...
    Well, usually when you're in that situation, it seems like you were forced to find closure in those things, but otherwise would have preferred not to. Perhaps would have been happier and functioned better if you didn't. Hence at your essence you were always a P who was forced to act like a J. Now you're just discovering something about yourself that was always true, your temperament did not change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindyrella View Post
    Can you give an example of this?
    Oh, well, for example, if you are raised in a family with J parents or some other sort of regimented environment (such as boys who go to military school), often a P will develop skills that are closure-oriented... because they are not permitted to be open-ended.

    Or perhaps your parents are off-balance in some way. So if you are open-ended, perhaps they take advantage of you or emotionally manipulate/hurt you. Being open-ended is not only not rewarding, but is punishable and/or leads to pain. So you cannot afford to be open-ended, if you want to survive and keep your sense of self intact.

    Or perhaps your peers are very ambitious and controlling and driving, so to either survive them or accommodate them you have to become very closure-oriented as well, rather than let things draw out.

    Some people here have described how they had to become more closure-oriented because of a job they had, that they couldn't quit.

    Does that help?
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    Thanks Jennifer, that does help. My P tendencies were not encouraged by my parents and were certainly not encouraged in K-12 school. So that definitely makes sense. Where I'm at in life now, I am comfortable and have come to terms with that part of my personality.

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