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    ENPs can be too direct sometimes.

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    Those who learn from interpretation dislike another's direct approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felt up View Post
    I've noted when speaking with Ps they are often indirect and passive-aggressive. Instead of asking for information they want, they tend phish and phish and phish for it. When they want to tell you something that may potentially cause conflict, they often drop a series of clues until you "get it." I love Ps but get annoyed, because I think they are looking for me take care of their unstated and indirect needs. I hate to be burdened by others in this manner.
    i do this because i figure i can "phish" out some other information that may or may not be related. if im searching for an answer directly, i wanna know all other possibilities involved.
    also i wouldn't limit this to perceivers. some of the most passive aggressive people i know are Js. the most passive aggressive person i actually know is an INFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felt up View Post
    I've noted when speaking with Ps they are often indirect and passive-aggressive. Instead of asking for information they want, they tend phish and phish and phish for it. When they want to tell you something that may potentially cause conflict, they often drop a series of clues until you "get it." I love Ps but get annoyed, because I think they are looking for me take care of their unstated and indirect needs. I hate to be burdened by others in this manner.
    I don't think I'm indirect or conflict avoidant at all, but I have had strong Js suggest I may be because they tend to project their extremely black and white way of thinking onto everyone else. So if I qualify statements, use compound sentences, or just present thoughts in a more complicated way than they have the patience for (with some people, that seems to be anything more nuanced than "I like cheese. I want cheese") then I'm being roundabout or even deceptive. I'm not saying all, or most, Js are like this, but keep in mind that flaws you perceive in people different from you might just be the old J trap of leaping to conclusions on painfully little evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by felt up View Post
    thread derailment = P for passive-aggressive, no?
    By this forum's standards, this doesn't really count as a thread derail, we just aren't that rigid. And almost any thread like this is going to have members of the targeted type coming in and defending themselves and/or giving the flip side. It's possible you are projecting motives onto others that aren't actually there. Maybe some P types fish, hint, and become passive-aggressive but it's far from universal or exclusive to Ps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    i do this because i figure i can "phish" out some other information that may or may not be related. if im searching for an answer directly, i wanna know all other possibilities involved.
    also i wouldn't limit this to perceivers. some of the most passive aggressive people i know are Js. the most passive aggressive person i actually know is an INFJ.
    Thanks for a direct answer mittrell. I can tell you I can be the queen of passive-aggression with ENFPs when they've ALREADY demonstrated a heaping pile of passive-aggression and it's not getting through to them that I despise it as a form of communication. What this covert behavior says to me as an INFJ, is that 'I'm smarter than you, I'm so clever that I'm going to somehow obtain information from you and you won't even know it.' While I think this strategy may work with other types, it's INSULTING to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    I don't think I'm indirect or conflict avoidant at all, but I have had strong Js suggest I may be because they tend to project their extremely black and white way of thinking onto everyone else. So if I qualify statements, use compound sentences, or just present thoughts in a more complicated way than they have the patience for (with some people, that seems to be anything more nuanced than "I like cheese. I want cheese") then I'm being roundabout or even deceptive. I'm not saying all, or most, Js are like this, but keep in mind that flaws you perceive in people different from you might just be the old J trap of leaping to conclusions on painfully little evidence.
    Congrats booyalab. I guess this is your roundabout way of insulting me as you deceive me with your complex, compound sentences. How brilliant!

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    Out of personal curiosity, felt up, how did you anticipate people would respond to your stated premise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by felt up View Post
    I've noted when speaking with Ps they are often indirect and passive-aggressive.
    I am calling BS on this.

    SJ's are the ones who do the whole "smile in your face, talk about you behind you back" ordeal.

    I am P. I am very direct, never passive aggressive.

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