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    I wonder if it would be too much to ask to have that description watered down a bit.

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    ^ I agree.
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    The way I understand the two is...

    Fi - intrapersonal. Awareness of one's emotions
    Fe - empathic. Awareness of others'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    The way I understand the two is...

    Fi - intrapersonal. Awareness of one's emotions
    Fe - empathic. Awareness of others'
    Actually with Fi our empathy is way better than our recognition of our own pain. We are more likely to care about pain in others than ourselves. And we actually don't fight many battles purely for ourselves. We are often quite self neglectful, not in the sense that we are stewing and wanting to kill people like some sites say, but because we expect we should rise above it, we don't see the reason for argument. People and situations evolve, if something needs to be said it is said, sometimes it just stirs up a room though and is destructive without reason, so we walk past it because in the scheme of things it doesn't matter. We'd prefer to just discuss it, understand it, help the other person understand that the conflict is unnecessary. I think some other types just don't realise peoples views evolve and they adapt. One minute you can strongly believe something, the next minute you can hear something that makes you realise you were wrong, so then you choose to believe something new (unless you lead a western country of course).
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    ^good point!

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    Fe i see in the infj troubadours, poets, songwriters, prophets. it connects with everything, synthesizes the feelings, absorbs everything it touches, but can't help but express it back in it's new form at all times. it seeks feeling from outside of itself, yet there is absolutely a lingering core or trace of the past left behind, guiding the course, pushing in new directions, determining what is to be sought out (mystic, author, counselor, etc).

    Fi for infp is like a snowball that keeps growing. there is an inward core that sucks in everything, concentrating itself and transforming everything into an extension of its own belief, faith, feeling, dream, etc. it translates life into feeling, into love and hope and despair. it is either a sun or a black hole and at times it feels like nothing can stop its rise or fall. (infp healer, dreamer, etc)

    enfp Fi seems so diffusive and scattered and world love. it is constantly expressing its direction and desires so it becomes more fluid in its articulation/actualization than infp Fi. but it IS inwardly driven. it generally has an easier time cultivating itself and finding supportive environments bc it is energized by experience and interaction and other people. so it is less depressive and stuck in place and doesn't have teh same cost of admission (concentration) as infp. it moves in so many more directions, it is easier to please bc its idealism/feeling-tone is directed outwardly in very real and social ways (champion, visionary, etc).

    enfj Fe i have no idea. i don't know any. the biggest chameleons of all? method acting?

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    After reading this I am still unclear about Fe vs Fi. Isn't there a website where there is a side by side comparison? I've seen this with Ni vs Ne but not Fe vs Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypocalypse View Post
    The way I understand the two is...

    Fi - intrapersonal. Awareness of one's emotions
    Fe - empathic. Awareness of others'
    This is how I perceive it as well. Fe basically means you are aware of somebody elses feeling and expectation and it should prompt you to act in line with the expectation of that person.

    Say if you are in a group of people you tend to notice the role you are playing in that group like being a teacher. You will act like a teacher. Because this is what your pupils are expecting from you. If you are a mother you will act like one if other people expect it. For this you will have a good grasp of society assumption about that role. Fe just like Te is an application-function. You basically apply your knowledge of conventions (Fe) or laws of nature (Te) to your environment.

    In contrast Fi and Ti are discovery functions. They help you to figure out your own perception of the world, which does not need to be in line with the perception of the group of people you are in. In the case of Fi you will be very much aware of your own feelings regarding what happens to you and with Ti you will be in touch with how things are connected.

    For this reason people using Fe will appear very conventional (ESFJ /ENFJ) in how they are responding to other people. On the other hand there is a tendency for people who use Fi dominantly to defeat general expectations about their presumed role. That is why they are sometimes passive aggressive if they think you want them to behave in a certain way that does not feel right to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maerzhase View Post
    For this reason people using Fe will appear very conventional (ESFJ /ENFJ) in how they are responding to other people. On the other hand there is a tendency for people who use Fi dominantly to defeat general expectations about their presumed role. That is why they are sometimes passive aggressive if they think you want them to behave in a certain way that does not feel right to them.

    Indeed, I think it's a good point. This is, in my sense, because Fe is directed outwardly, thus Fe want more appear empathic to the eyes of the others whereas Fi want more to feel inside themself that they are empathic, and this is, probably, one reason for the Fe "show" when caring others versus the quietness of Fi when they do the same thing. (I guess this can be also available for Ts, Te would be more attracted to appear logical to eyes of the observators, whereas Ti would be more likely to be attracted to feel logical for themselves)

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