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    Default ENFP Archetypes

    Sorry if this is not the right place to post this...

    Shadow and Anima/Animus:

    Jung's archetypes have always been a little bit confusing for me. So, I have read that the ISTJ is the ENFP's shadow and that when under stress a negative form of the ISTJ is manifested in the ENFP personality (vice versa). Can anyone give any examples of what they mean by a 'negative form of ISTJ'? Have any of you recognized it in yourselves?

    What is the Anima/Animus? How is the Shadow different from or the same as the Anima/Animus?

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    Anuimagus as in... like... Mortalk Kombat Animalities?

    my fursona is Vegeta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nillerz View Post
    Anuimagus as in... like... Mortalk Kombat Animalities?

    my fursona is Vegeta.
    lol. nah like carl jung's archetype descriptions

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    OH! Well, I talked to Jung and he says that ENFP's have an anma and the anima is Vegeta from Dragonball Z

    I'm sorry this is the first I've heard of it.

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    I'm not an ENFP so I can't attest to your particular shadow, but I can say that negative aspects of my shadow personality (ESTP) definitely come out when I'm under great stress. I'm normally deliberative, sensitive to others, and not interested in sensate experiences (INFJ), but when very stressed I become very impulsive, sensate, and ambivalent to others' feelings. Luckily this only happens in very severe situations, I can only think of one time in the last year.

    I do know an ISTJ who takes on the negative qualities of an ENFP when she's super drunk....

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    ps: On personalitypage.com, the potential negative traits for ISTJs are listed as the following:

    * Excessive love of food and drink
    * Lack of interest in other people, or in relating to them
    * Occasional inappropriate emotional displays
    * General selfish "look after oneself" tendencies
    * Uses judgement to dismiss other's opinions and perspectives, before really understanding them
    * May judge others rather than themselves
    * May look at external ideas and people with the primary purpose of finding fault
    * May become slave to their routine and "by the book" ways of doing things, to the point that any deviation is completely unacceptable
    * May have difficulty communicating their thoughts and feelings to anyone

    So theoretically you might experience some of those traits when under stress...

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    i have never at any time in my life been anything remotely similar to istj...it is my complete opposite though...for sure.
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    Default haha heck yes!

    so i read online that enfps take a negative form of istjs..
    which are doing things in excess (eating, excercising), being overly critical, finding fault within everything, taking charge w/out consideration of others.

    i totally noticed it in me under lottsa stress, esp the finding fault and the doing things in excess part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwv6r View Post
    ps: On personalitypage.com, the potential negative traits for ISTJs are listed as the following:

    * Excessive love of food and drink
    * Lack of interest in other people, or in relating to them
    * Occasional inappropriate emotional displays
    * General selfish "look after oneself" tendencies
    * Uses judgement to dismiss other's opinions and perspectives, before really understanding them
    * May judge others rather than themselves
    * May look at external ideas and people with the primary purpose of finding fault
    * May become slave to their routine and "by the book" ways of doing things, to the point that any deviation is completely unacceptable
    * May have difficulty communicating their thoughts and feelings to anyone

    So theoretically you might experience some of those traits when under stress...
    Thanks for the details!

    I've done most of these when really really stressed.
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    I can tell you right now that I know my shadow well. This is actually one of the reasons why I got into the theories.

    I know that when I get stressed I do totally go into my shadow. I cut myself off from people and want to be alone (I). I tend to get caught up in what's going around me. I get easily distracted by stupid little things and find myself wasting time on those instead of what's important. I actually feel like I have blinders on. At times, I feel like I am looking through a tiny hole at the world around me (S). I most definitely stop caring about other's feelings. I tend to say what I think and say it short, blunt, or often rudely. I don't laugh, I don't enjoy anything and I start to really over thing everything (T). Lastly, I try and get things my way and I stop listening to other's advice. I try and plan things to go the way I want and if it starts to change I freak out. Especially if I am at work and I am stressed. If a wrench is thrown into my job I cannot adapt and I start to panic and screw things up. Also, any advice people give me during my 'dark place', I can find reason after reason to say why it's wrong. I become a strong pessimistic. Nothing can be anything unless I agree with it. (J). Now, as you can tell. These are all BAD things. Not saying that ISTJ is a bad thing, but these are the sour sides of ISTJ.

    From this list, I do everything but over-induldge.
    * Excessive love of food and drink
    * Lack of interest in other people, or in relating to them
    * Occasional inappropriate emotional displays
    * General selfish "look after oneself" tendencies
    * Uses judgement to dismiss other's opinions and perspectives, before really understanding them
    * May judge others rather than themselves
    * May look at external ideas and people with the primary purpose of finding fault
    * May become slave to their routine and "by the book" ways of doing things, to the point that any deviation is completely unacceptable
    * May have difficulty communicating their thoughts and feelings to anyone
    I think that I can explain an ENFPs shadow pretty well if you have any more questions...

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