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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    What specific domain is this in reference to? Romance?
    In general, tbh. I'm specifically talking about the obnoxious need to camouflage insecurities by bragging excessively about them being a superior being - and yes, Im using a hyperbole here to make my point, so no it's not always to this extreme or obnoxiousness. I get where it stems from, I empathise with it coz god knows that being paralysed by insecurity aint no joking matter but man, do you (general you) have to make it a chain reaction where you pass it along to the people around you so *you* can feel better about yourself?

    Quote Originally Posted by Noll View Post
    In my experience this isn't necessarily NT, but I suppose there's a personal compatibility factor to it as well.
    Granted, other personalities do that on their own territory as well. SJs often bitch and whine about how others lack a sense of duty and are unreliable, for instance. But this is an NT thread and I was specifically asked what bugged me (and what I loved btw) about NTs. What bugs me is the combination of the undeveloped ability for empathy - or thats how it comes off (NF bitching about their territory I suppose ), though it could be just the unwillingness to use it, I suppose and the incessant need to be derogatory to others to feel better about themselves, thinly disguised by the reasoning that 'lesser beings aren't worth the effort to treat with respect.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Granted, other personalities do that on their own territory as well. SJs often bitch and whine about how others lack a sense of duty and are unreliable, for instance. But this is an NT thread and I was specifically asked what bugged me (and what I loved btw) about NTs. What bugs me is the combination of the undeveloped ability for empathy - or thats how it comes off (NF bitching about their territory I suppose ) - though it could just be the unwillingness to use it, I suppose and the incessant need to be derogatory to others to feel better about themselves, thinly disguised by the reasoning that 'lesser beings aren't worth the effort to treat with respect.'
    NT's are always low in Fi and Fe, it's only natural for people like us to sometimes misinterpret what they're actually trying to say or do. What I believe in is accepting the fact that people are different, and if you can't accept that, you should really come to terms with the fact that you can't be completely compatible with everyone. I'm sure you already know this though, as of now I'm just derailing the thread like a useless person!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noll View Post
    NT's are always low in Fi and Fe, it's only natural for people like us to sometimes misinterpret what they're actually trying to say or do. What I believe in is accepting the fact that people are different, and if you can't accept that, you should really come to terms with the fact that you can't be completely compatible with everyone. I'm sure you already know this though, as of now I'm just derailing the thread like a useless person!
    You're right. And I'm aware of this.

    This is a rant thread though, so I just...followed the instructions. Just because I'm perfectly capable of accepting this, understanding where they're coming from and not holding this against them, doesn't mean it cannot occasionally make you sigh in frustration, you see.
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    I hate the "spreading" (to use a term coined by @Beorn) that many of the more academically oriented NT's use in their argumentation.

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    I really like how I can rant a bit or be included in a conversation and then walk away...and the NTs don't hold whatever it is against me. They don't take is personally. Granted, I take care to keep the ranting to a minimum. I think they a) partially think the ranting/my emotional turmoil is strange and b) don't really listen to me. We also tend to share a sense of humor.

    On the other hand, NT's tend to seem so detached sometimes, I feel I could fall off the planet and they wouldn't notice.
    Logically I know I mean *something* to them, but...that...is...logically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Granted, other personalities do that on their own territory as well. SJs often bitch and whine about how others lack a sense of duty and are unreliable, for instance. But this is an NT thread and I was specifically asked what bugged me (and what I loved btw) about NTs. What bugs me is the combination of the undeveloped ability for empathy - or thats how it comes off (NF bitching about their territory I suppose ), though it could be just the unwillingness to use it, I suppose and the incessant need to be derogatory to others to feel better about themselves, thinly disguised by the reasoning that 'lesser beings aren't worth the effort to treat with respect.'
    I agree that we often can be derogatory toward others, but don't agree that it is usually done to try to feel better about ourselves or because we feel others don't deserve respect. Often it is from pure frustration at what we see other people doing, especially when it impacts us or someone close to us (or a project at work etc.) Other times it is simply an extension of criticism, which perhaps paradoxically can stem from the fact that we do indeed respect or even care for the other person. We respect them enough to level with them and tell them what we really think; and/or we care enough to give them our unvarnished opinion, and trust them enough to be candid.

    Quote Originally Posted by xenaprincess View Post
    On the other hand, NT's tend to seem so detached sometimes, I feel I could fall off the planet and they wouldn't notice.
    Logically I know I mean *something* to them, but...that...is...logically.
    But that's the most important part, isn't it?
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    I honestly don't know how an NT's emotions work.

    Sometimes, I truly think I have very little, generally speaking. I still get struck if I see something really sad, or really joyful, but in general, I kinda feel like a robot, which I honestly don't mind, but when something emotionally major happens, I'm like "What the hell are all these things??" And I'm not very good at channeling them, dealing with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I agree that we often can be derogatory toward others, but don't agree that it is usually done to try to feel better about ourselves or because we feel others don't deserve respect. Often it is from pure frustration at what we see other people doing, especially when it impacts us or someone close to us (or a project at work etc.) Other times it is simply an extension of criticism, which perhaps paradoxically can stem from the fact that we do indeed respect or even care for the other person. We respect them enough to level with them and tell them what we really think; and/or we care enough to give them our unvarnished opinion, and trust them enough to be candid.


    But that's the most important part, isn't it?
    This can be biting but if done with the right prrson ( someone you actually have this kind of upfront bond with and mutual respect is clear), it is not an issue to me. In fact, this one goes in the what i appreviate about you guys-column. It can be incredibly helpful, insightful and refreshing.

    Its when they dont even bother to know you, show that mutual respect or build that bond and somehow feel theyre just beter by default coz thats what their insecure ego demAnds that you want to send them to a shrink, pronto before you do something you ll regret, ime. And thats the ones you feel for coz they arent even aware theyre doing it. The ones that are aware and do it for kicks, you want to shoot on sight due to the harm to other people they cause ( which ironically they refuse to acknowledge and dont seem aware of)

    Think Sheldon-style for the first type and troll style for the second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Its when they dont even bother to know you, show that mutual respect or build that bond and somehow feel theyre just beter by default coz thats what their insecure ego demAnds that you want to send them to a shrink, pronto before you do something you ll regret, ime. And thats the ones you feel for coz they arent even aware theyre doing it.
    I'm sure there are plenty of narcissistic NTs who fit this description, but my understanding of NTs is that we operate mostly in the realm of abstract ideals, so our criticism is less personal than most are inclined to believe. If someone takes offense at my challenging the soundness of an idea I assume it stems from their own deep-seated self-doubt.

    I would draw a line between smug and confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solipsists View Post
    I'm sure there are plenty of narcissistic NTs who fit this description, but my understanding of NTs is that we operate mostly in the realm of abstract ideals, so our criticism is less personal than most are inclined to believe. If someone takes offense at my challenging the soundness of an idea I assume it stems from their own deep-seated self-doubt.

    I would draw a line between smug and confident.
    Yeah, I'm not talking about detached feedback. I'm talking about unsolicited, obnoxious 'I'm better than you' quips that never end. Or worse, the actual conviction that this is the case and the 'sound' arguments they present on this front, entirely believing their own bullshit.

    It's one thing to offer detached, unpersonal, unvarnished feedback - and preferably only when requested to do so, tbh, but depending on the context, it can be useful when unsolicited as well though risky - it is another to take someone down coz you need a release valve for your frustrations that you deny having coz you're so logical and you don't like them, so therefore they should learn their proper place, or whatever the justification is.

    Everyone has some doubts, fears and stressors that can cause us to act out - it just often seems to come out in NTs in this way.

    For the record, Im a big fan of your breed - I don't want that to get lost in the process of this discussion.
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