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    The issue of complaining and not doing anything about it seems like something that has to do with J and P and not necessarily all NFs.

    Let it be known that I don't just complain. I get shit done.

    I've even been known to complain WHILE getting shit done.

    Thats right people. This INFJ can multi-task. lol

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    When life gives you lemons...
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    'Cause you can't handle me...

    "A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it." - David Stevens

    "That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Well? Are you?

    NFs have historically been complainers.
    It's not so bad -- really, it isn't. Complaint comes from frustration with current status. Frustration with current status comes from vision for improvement. But at the same rate, they are notoriously horrible at solving the problems effectively. This is why they choose to complain rather than act.
    What statistical data do you base this upon?

    Or if not, they'll torture themselves by continuing to develop, and simultaneously attach themselves to their vision.
    So then they must complain more.

    But they won't sit down and do the work.
    Or so it seems.
    Lack of discipline isn't a type problem.

    However... sometimes the grand vision seems so huge and impracticable that NFs can be drawn up short. I can speak for myself - I do this frequently, imagine something so beautiful and stainless that I immediately become frustrated with the idea of birthing it. How can I make this live? How can I make this the salvation I see so clearly in my mind? Where do I even begin?

    Perhaps the NFs just like to suffer under their oppressive vision and circumstances.
    Constant visions of near tangible quality amidst a world like ours? Yes, I'd call that oppressive.

    After a while, people become frustrated by the NF's complaints, and begin to wonder about the NF's purpose.
    "Is this person a fiend? Do they complain so much as an attempt to manipulate me?"
    Overlaying an NT nightmare on my reverie?

    And then the NF gets a reputation for being manipulative.
    Amidst the tossing NT sleepers.

    As to thriving on pain, we must thrive on that, perhaps, since thriving on love is impossible in a world that would rather crush and kill. How little one would be strengthened, how anemic if they lasted only for love. Pain and love aren't so very far apart in many aspects.

    I don't thrive on pain - but I do thrive on the idea of destroying it, overmastering it, driving it out. You might call that it's own obsession.

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    Uhhhh. to the OP.. NO!

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    He's just messing with everyone.

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    They endure situations they don't care for, far longer than any NT I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    They endure situations they don't care for, far longer than any NT I know.
    Yeah, we do.
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    'Cause you can't handle me...

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    I personally am a sadist. But I can endure a lot... So yeah.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    I'm a switch hitter. Variety. . .
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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