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    It's debatable whether ADHD (No such thing as just "ADD" for the record) actually exists or not. My little brother is classified as "ADHD, predominately hyperactive-impulsive type", but I don't think medicine (which I know not all people with ADHD take) truly helps him.

    My opinion of his particular case is that he is just highly (and annoyingly) extraverted and requires more stimulation than sitting in a desk and listening to a teacher has to offer him. Because he can't conform to the school's expectations, they told my mom he can't come to school anymore unless he takes his adderall. Heaven forbid they try and tailor their teaching methods to his learning style!

    Sorry, that was my ADHD rant. I feel bad for the guy because his intelligence is never reflected in his grades because of the lack of hands-on learning. Plus he gets in trouble a lot for getting out of his seat.

    It's interesting because all the people I know with ADHD tend to be more on the extraverted side, but I assumed that there are introverts diagnosed as well. I wonder if introverts tend to fall more along the lines of "ADHD predominately inattentive type"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wedekit View Post
    It's debatable whether ADHD (No such thing as just "ADD" for the record) actually exists or not. My little brother is classified as "ADHD, predominately hyperactive-impulsive type", but I don't think medicine (which I know not all people with ADHD take) truly helps him.

    My opinion of his particular case is that he is just highly (and annoyingly) extraverted and requires more stimulation than sitting in a desk and listening to a teacher has to offer him. Because he can't conform to the school's expectations, they told my mom he can't come to school anymore unless he takes his adderall. Heaven forbid they try and tailor their teaching methods to his learning style!

    Sorry, that was my ADHD rant. I feel bad for the guy because his intelligence is never reflected in his grades because of the lack of hands-on learning. Plus he gets in trouble a lot for getting out of his seat.

    It's interesting because all the people I know with ADHD tend to be more on the extraverted side, but I assumed that there are introverts diagnosed as well. I wonder if introverts tend to fall more along the lines of "ADHD predominately inattentive type"?
    Well, back when I was diagnosed (circa 1994), ADD was what it was called, and I had the inattentive type. Not all people with AD/HD have hyperactivity. If I'm not mistaken, I think that is why they have the slash, no?

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    I used to think I have ADD, but now I know that my problems concentrating/focusing came with depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travo7 View Post
    Well, back when I was diagnosed (circa 1994), ADD was what it was called, and I had the inattentive type. Not all people with AD/HD have hyperactivity. If I'm not mistaken, I think that is why they have the slash, no?
    It's still called ADD, inattentive type. I have it too. I was only diagnosed about three years ago. ADHD is a whole 'nother bag of chips.
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    ADD...what was I going to say?

    Oh well...

    I read somewhere that anxiety disorders can accompany ADD, which is true in my case. Although I've gotten a lot better at dealing with anxiety, it still gets me every now and then.

    Can anyone else here relate to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travo7 View Post
    ADD...what was I going to say?

    Oh well...

    I read somewhere that anxiety disorders can accompany ADD, which is true in my case. Although I've gotten a lot better at dealing with anxiety, it still gets me every now and then.

    Can anyone else here relate to that?

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    This is interesting. When I was "diagnosed" with OCD the first thing my psychiatrist prescribed me was adderall. >___>

    It helped in some instances, but was hell in others. I started doing things like alphabetizing my books while taking an inventory of them, and other crazy tasks like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beyondaurora View Post
    Hello. I have just had a true "Eureka!" moment. With all appreciation to those who recently helped me determine my type, I have not felt comfortable with my type description at all.

    I was browsing INFJ or INFP? a closer look and read this:

    "INFJs, on the other hand, are drawn to categorizing. They display a knack for systematizing and can do it quickly. They typically define terms, or ask others to define theirs. They expend a great deal of effort finding precisely the right word to express what they want to say, sometimes rewriting emails many times over until they are succinct, hopefully pithy, and all the words seem exactly right (like not saying "invoke" when you mean "evoke" or "conscience" when you really mean "conscious" or "wretch" when you mean "retch"). They often behave like English teachers, and frequently get asked to proofread others' writing for errors. They can be highly sensitive to misspellings or it's/its mistakes on public signage. They strive for clarity and precision, and often contribute these gifts to a conversation. They attempt to articulate things unspoken, and name aloud any problem or peculiar dynamic. They may enjoy methods of organizing, such as the systematic "Color Me Beautiful" approach to fashion-dressing, or database designing, and of course, Personality Types. Some of them are professional organizers or financial planners thanks to their tertiary. It is the INFJ who will relentlessly re-take a personality test to grasp the categories better in order to figure out which category they really belong to, and become irritated if the results change each time. The INFJ cares more than the INFP does about people being "mis-filed" with the wrong type code, and I know an INFJ who got disgusted when her Step II inaccurately reported her as an INTJ. They are unwilling to settle for INFx (I confess: that designation makes me crazy). These are common ways that Ti will manifest in the INFJ type code."

    I literally shrieked when I read this! THIS is me! All the way up to the "Color Me Beautiful" reference.

    But before I get too excited, please tell me, INFJ's...does this ring true for you? Feel free to check the link above for greater context.

    Thanks!
    I came across this description some years ago, and it was a big help in helping me understand how my own tertiary Ti operates. As a forensic scientist, I spend a great deal of time using my Ti for analysis, categorisation, writing witness statements and for peerchecking the work of my colleagues. I have been praised for my precision and accuracy at work. However, I sometimes pay a heavy price for overusing my tertiary function.

    According to the function/archetype theory of type (which I subscribe to), the tertiary function is governed by the "Eternal Child" archetype. As the name implies, this function is quite childlike in nature. Positively expressed, it is creative, playful and likes to "help"; negatively expressed, it can be evasive, unsettling and hypersensitive. The Eternal Child sees things in black-and-white, all-or-nothing terms, and its associated type function is subject to over- or under-inflation.

    When my own Ti gets overinflated, I find I can't switch the damn thing off, and it begins to manically categorise and analyse everything.

    It has a loud internal voice, which it uses to constantly "explain" reality for me:

    "This is a spoon, that's a fork, they are both items of cutlery. Cutlery can be made of metal or plastic. Oriental cultures use plastic or wooden chopsticks instead of cutlery.....bla, bla bla...." ad nausem.

    Sometimes this is very useful, but it is slightly annoying at 4am when I am desperately trying to get some sleep!

    The flip-side of underinflation happens when I get too tired from all of this, or if - heaven forbid! - some unenlightened soul (usually my ENTP partner) dares to criticise my "helpful" categorisations: "For God's sake, stop analysing everything to death!".

    My Eternal Child will then go on a major sulk, which can last for hours or even days. This is just as frustrating for me, as I can no longer categorise effectively and tend to get stuck in "analysis paralysis" loops of chronic indecision. This makes me very inefficient at my job, highly distractible, and generally useless at detail work. At this stage it's important for me to take a break and allow my Ti to recharge, but I don't always recognise this need, especially if I tip over into my inferior Extravertd Sensing function.

    Anyone else relate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wedekit View Post
    This is interesting. When I was "diagnosed" with OCD the first thing my psychiatrist prescribed me was adderall. >___>

    It helped in some instances, but was hell in others. I started doing things like alphabetizing my books while taking an inventory of them, and other crazy tasks like that.
    Yeah, they gave me prozac. (prozac heyday) lol
    I quit taking it though. Come to think of it, I don't think I ever really took it properly.

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    apollanaut,
    do you consider Ti or your Eternal Child to basically involve taking things apart and then possibly (if you get around to it), putting them back together? understanding how things work. curiosity for the connections between things?

    i'm still not sure how to engage this productively, and what the difference between healthy and unhealthy is for this function. i think mine is overdeveloped and i turn into an absent-minded professor who bores even me. how does this function balance your NiFe, or has it surpassed Fe for you as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post

    It's not hard to imagine really, when you consult much of the literature on both ADD and INFJs.
    really? i'm new to personality typing, but am intrigued about this. i was diagnosed with add as a child, but don't find it a problem now (nor did i find it a problem then).

    can you tell me more about the correlation between these two entities? are people diagnosed with add more likely to be infj?
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