Are you saying the life/death thing ascribed to sp 4s doesn't sound like me? I agree... I'm not terribly morbid. Although look at my burial-like avatar xD.
You're right that I don't interpret sp 4 that way though. The dauntless descriptions are a bit too "physical" still. I'm more indulgent than risk-taking, but then examples of sp 4 risks are relatable (impulsive with big life changes).
I relate more to Naranjos masochistic sp 4. This is a person who "endures" quietly and feels their suffering and sacrifice will bring them the savior to fill their void. Much more 1ish than the dauntless 4, which sounds almost cp 6.
I suspect the "playing dead" part of sp is the desire (envy) denial. It doesn't manifest very literally for me, which is why the idea of the second instinct being more abstract and creative made me consider sx/sp.
08-09-2016, 09:15 PM #10331
08-09-2016, 09:17 PM #10332
Please don't hurt em hammer
08-09-2016, 09:17 PM #10333
08-09-2016, 09:20 PM #10334
08-09-2016, 09:21 PM #10335
Paragon yes but why wrong?
Oops skip me and do senza then do me
08-09-2016, 09:37 PM #10336"Charlotte sometimes dreams a wall around herself. But it's always with love - So much love it looks like everything else. Charlotte Sometimes - So far away, glass sealed and pretty." - The Cure
INFP | 4w5 sp/sx - 451| RLUEI - Primary Inquisitive
08-09-2016, 10:15 PM #10337
I agree with your sp/sx, OA. In fact, I look at you as an example of the difference between a correctly typed sp and someone who might mistype as it like me.
IS?P for @Anaximander.
Naranjo's profiles were one of the elements that led me to let go of sp-dom, the "masochist" inclined to suffer more quietly than the others. As far as just his versions of the instincts go, I see myself the very least like that one.
On the other hand, people I know (except for the very closest) describe me that way. Others see me as very contained and emotionally reserved, and I just want to laugh because I. Do. Not. Get. It. As I see it, I am the least like that around. Too transparent about their weakness, neurotic and dramatic, ashamed at the possibility of imperiling their relationships with their temperament. Much more so when I was younger, but still. But others have rarely at any point in my lifetime shown any sign that they agree. The potentially big blind spot here bothers me, but it's also sort of a relief that I overestimate my drama rather than underestimate it.
It is possible that I define emotionalism as something different from them. For instance, I sense that just because someone is being physically expressive doesn't mean they are showing any of their emotions, and perceive the former from people quite a bit more often than the latter. Maybe others are more generous with conflating the two when they see a physical expression.
The funny thing is that the sp stereotype of sensitivity to base physical security does fit me. I do not have the innate sense that I will survive. The opposite, actually - that I have too little of what it takes. So, I have to work harder, balance big pushes of uniqueness with big sacrifices of it to make a niche where I can support myself in the world because otherwise one won't be there. There's nothing preventing me from falling through the cracks but my own effort, and I would deserve no such thing, or so instinct says. Reality isn't so simple for anybody, nor does it revolve around anyone like that.
08-09-2016, 10:25 PM #10338
I feel quite small in this deep discussion of instincts. But I will say yes, @Alaska. It probably is quite close for you though.
08-09-2016, 10:27 PM #10339
I saw you questioning your so/sx yesterday but I think so/sx is right for you. You're synflow>contraflow imo. You have the lightness of the so/sx 6 and I think that you're more focused on finding trust in individuals than in organizations.
This type can be very different from the other social type, because with this type, security comes from making alliances with individuals.
They rely on key people in their lives when doubt sets in. Their security comes from maintaining close bonds. They fear rejection much more then the soc/self-pres.
(From Six Stacks | The Enneagram ...info from the underground.)
08-09-2016, 10:47 PM #10340
My family regularly characterized me as temperamental growing up. I was called cantankerous and ornery, as well as accused of an angry hostility. I am not vocal in the sympathy-seeking way like an so 4 (although I have my moments). People seem to see it more as truculent than like a drama queen, but for me it does come out of frustration. Maybe I don't feel heard or understood or I am pushing for something stimulating.
The more open I have gotten with my more vulnerable emotions, the less angry I have been.
I still imagine an sx 4 as more "out there" with their emotions. I definitely try to hide the tempermental side in public, although it subtly surfaces as a prickly demeanor at times.
I have never related to any of the physical security stuff, although I felt like a burden growing up as we struggled financially. Instead of it making me frugal or practical it just reinforced to me how "security" is not in material things. I really don't even think in terms of security at all (perhaps that is "reckless"). I do like luxury though, but I don't like being bogged down with "stuff". I know I have what it takes to survive, but the idea of JUST surviving is dreary. I want MORE in life. So quite opposite in some respects. Wonder how much is S vs N preference too."Charlotte sometimes dreams a wall around herself. But it's always with love - So much love it looks like everything else. Charlotte Sometimes - So far away, glass sealed and pretty." - The Cure
INFP | 4w5 sp/sx - 451| RLUEI - Primary Inquisitive
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