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    Quote Originally Posted by Retmeishka View Post
    In socionics, sensors are valued a lot more than they commonly are in the Myers-Briggs culture in the USA. Pet peeve of mine. Sensors are viewed as necessary duals who have a great skill that the world needs, rather than being viewed as primitive animals. I thought I was a primitive animal too while I was still reading all the anti-sensor biased American writings. Socionics fixed it.
    You could even theorize that intuitives have inadvertently ruined the world. I mean intuitives have likely eliminated disease and built lovely technology, but didn't factor in that we can't actually live on Mars anytime soon, that many of the simpler or less intelligent sensors would mindlessly take advantage of the technology to the point of destruction by continuing to have too many children and wanting to live forever and collect all the most toys, and basically now we are in our sixth mass world extinction and are probably on the way out as a human race. Oh thanks a lot intuitives, we are all gonna die at warp speed now (probably the grand plan of one very demented INTJ).

    Just because something CAN exist doesn't mean it SHOULD. And ethics would dictate that science needs to try to solve every problem it inadvertently caused. But what if it can't.

    They went from getting eaten by bears and falling off cliffs, to taking the entire human race with them.

    Just one perspective.
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    try to appreciate your own imagination of what MIGHT evolve.

    for instance how the world of sensors can evolve from shooting everything to pieces and intoxicating the bodies of their children with toxic dementing foods to a more stable order of interaction.

    what people think should exist is a matter of judgement.

    in capitalism, the materialist world order, nothing can enter existence that can not be turned into money, because somebody wants to buy food, alcohol and more unholy things.

    thinking judgement is counting the numbers.

    sure, some things are produced by and sold to intuitives exclusively.

    various books come to mind.

    the hadron collider.

    space traveling? i don't think so.
    a space ship is basically a washing machine and scotty (enterprise) might be sensor.

    engineering is not overly intuitive. and mars is just another earth we can dig in.

    what is intuitive about something like the hadron collider is the appreciation of what we can learn with it about what is holding reality together.

    it's just fascinating, long before we know how to exploit it in concrete manner.

    really human beings create nothing that is inherently made out of sensing or intuition, it's just how you look at it, that reflects your type.

    and when it comes to inventing or doing things, your type is the method of how you go about doing it.

    for instance i used to be a skater. how intuitive is that?

    i was sitting on my skateboard and daydreaming about revolution.

    skating and surfing are mentalities that are inspired by intuition.

    i wasn't so good at popping my board, but i tried.

    some of my mates were sensors. they didn't always understand my humor.

    sometimes they would destroy things, because it makes a loud bang.

    i wanted to destroy things for symbolical reasons only.

    apart from that we were the same.

    now i look at the astronauts from nasa. i see istp next to entp.

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    Hey Mr. Self Righteous. ..it was intuitive people who probably created those toxic chemicals in the first place to turn more profit, make things move faster bigger more, with good intentions to feed the starving. ...NFs have actually CREATED problems by wanting to fix the world, NTs by thinking wouldn't it be awesome if we could walk on the moon, you guys thought of this garbage, of course sensors got excited about the "new reality" which they accepted as reality, but honestly in California I find sensors to be some of the biggest environmentalists, in the South sensors are the biggest preppers and late day pioneers. I think the intuitive population made the world more comfortable so that they could survive in it, because sensors survive better in the natural world, and everyone actually survives better in the long term by flowing with nature. Tell me, what intuition told you not to mess with what currently is? Herpa derp, there's NOTHING intuitive about being in tune with nature, it's actually the sensors domain. Intuitives brought DEET, factory farming, vaccination and plastic surgery, totally ignoring that if children didn't die of polio, then the world would get overpopulated and we will all die.

    How about you actually start a revolution instead of daydreaming about it? It's the sensors who are now en masse trying to change society and make a new normal. The smarter ones, at least. There are smart and stupid people of both colors.

    The 99 percent obviously isn't predominantly intuitive.

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    Assuming the OP isn't spamming, this is my attempt to answer the title:

    MBTI intuition is the last thing you need to be successful in any human field you require. Yes any. Except maybe being psychic but how many psychics do we know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    MBTI intuition is the last thing you need to be successful in any human field you require. Yes any. Except maybe being psychic but how many psychics do we know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    Assuming the OP isn't spamming, this is my attempt to answer the title:

    MBTI intuition is the last thing you need to be successful in any human field you require. Yes any. Except maybe being psychic but how many psychics do we know?
    Or messing with nature, or attempts to solve what has already been fucked with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Or messing with nature, or attempts to solve what has already been fucked with.
    I don't get your nature angle in this thread .

    Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    I don't get your nature angle in this thread .

    Sorry.
    We are in the middle of the sixth mass extinction, prompted by mankind, and many synthetic inventions are the brainchild of intuitive types. Without things like vaccines, plastic surgery, modern medicine, and factory farming and chemical pesticides created by scientists, we actually wouldn't have an overpopulated and polluted world. It would be mildly polluted by general human stupidity and forest fires, but no where in the range of the extent that it is now. The current consumer normal and world population explosion largely has its basis in intuitive thinking what if we did this and having the abstract knowledge to tinker with chemicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    We are in the middle of the sixth mass extinction, prompted by mankind, and many synthetic inventions are the brainchild of intuitive types. Without things like vaccines, plastic surgery, modern medicine, and factory farming and chemical pesticides created by scientists, we actually wouldn't have an overpopulated and polluted world. It would be mildly polluted by general human stupidity and forest fires, but no where in the range of the extent that it is now. The current consumer normal and world population explosion largely has its basis in intuitive thinking what if we did this and having the abstract knowledge to tinker with chemicals.
    Woah woah woah!

    Did you join the army of the Twelve Monkeys or something?

    First of all lets leave the intuitives out of this. By trying to blame this perceived world destruction on them you are actually praising MBTI intuitive types. That was not what I said at all in the post you quoted.

    Lets get back to population. The purpose of any species as a group is to grow, so that their opportunities mate and their opportunities for survival incase something causes mass death of their own species, it is more likely that some of their own kind would survive.

    Growth of population is a good thing. Population would stop growing if people realize that there is no way to feed and sustain their offspring and the general population. War and disease is also a result of overpopulation to a certain extent. However, war, decease, hunger aren't the result of population, it is the result of the inability to deal with population. Due to scientific research progression the ability for humans to deal with more and more population has only grown.

    For example what they might have considered as overpopulation in the 14th century isn't even close to what we considered as overpopulation now. Back then the world must have had a population of 1/2 billion and they would have still considered it as overpopulation. But currently if the world had a population of only 1/2 billion it have been considered a piece of cake to be dealt with. It is all thanks to scientific advances and good administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    Woah woah woah!

    Did you join the army of the Twelve Monkeys or something?

    First of all lets leave the intuitives out of this. By trying to blame this perceived world destruction on them you are actually praising MBTI intuitive types. That was not what I said at all in the post you quoted.

    Lets get back to population. The purpose of any species as a group is to grow, so that their opportunities mate and their opportunities for survival incase something causes mass death of their own species, it is more likely that some of their own kind would survive.

    Growth of population is a good thing. Population would stop growing if people realize that there is no way to feed and sustain their offspring and the general population. War and disease is also a result of overpopulation to a certain extent. However, war, decease, hunger aren't the result of population, it is the result of the inability to deal with population. Due to scientific research progression the ability for humans to deal with more and more population has only grown.

    For example what they might have considered as overpopulation in the 14th century isn't even close to what we considered as overpopulation now. Back then the world must have had a population of 1/2 billion and they would have still considered it as overpopulation. But currently if the world had a population of only 1/2 billion it have been considered a piece of cake to be dealt with. It is all thanks to scientific advances and good administration.
    No I'm not praising intuitive types in the slightest. At this juncture, a mass extinction caused by man, their human frailty seems to be at great fault, they actually appear to be DEFECTIVE, a sub-species of human who sped up the human race only to murder it. Like a big child with too much power. Intuitives the equivalent of big dumb children with big imagination, they finally found their place in history, only to murder the entire human race and most other species within two centuries. That's not praise. That's your own conceit that the modern world is better. Any time I am in the wilderness I remember that's not true. The human world, even major cities, is small. The natural world is humongous, vast, wondrous.

    Growth of population is terrible when a species out grows it's habitat, I'm sorry but you don't know what you are are talking about. Human beings are an animal species that have outgrown their habitat.

    The world is dying. Wake up, be informed. The things you are saying have no relevance in current world conditions.

    6th Mass Extinction? Humans Kill Species Faster Than They're Created

    I will only give intuitives the praise they give themselves if they can find a way to clean up the mess they made. Meanwhile, people do what they can to slow down the inevitable death march.

    The Extinction Crisis

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