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    I before E, except after C, and when things get weird.

    Anyone else frustrated by the holes in this damn rule?

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    Incredibly so. I've been known to avoid words I wasn't sure about due to this.

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    ???
    I never heard about this rule. I always learn the spelling of English words by heart. How else?
    Why oh why isn't there an one-to-one relation between letter and sound, like an alphabet should work actually?
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    Agreed entirely, it's silly as. We could just use the rule NO MATTER WHAT, and when people try to correct us, reply with a shut-the-f**kuppercut.
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    That rule is so WEIRD.
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    It's not a rule because I have not recognized it. I don't believe it's useful either, by heart is the way to go.

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    That's what you get when you ask English majors to write instructions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    ???
    I never heard about this rule. I always learn the spelling of English words by heart. How else?
    Why oh why isn't there an one-to-one relation between letter and sound, like an alphabet should work actually?
    Becausing spelling was standardised by a bunch of academics who felt a need to try and peserve the origin of words in the way they were spelled. Thus you get ph worlds like phlegm (instead of just flem) to indicate the greek origin of the word. I'm sure that's all very nice... but not terribly practical.

    The king james Bible was also very influencial. It sold a lot of copies, and the spellings in it became common, but the book was deliberately written in a "ye olde" fashion to make it sound more authoritive.

    This site has some interesting information about it

    The History of English: Spelling and Standardization (Suzanne Kemmer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    ???
    I never heard about this rule. I always learn the spelling of English words by heart. How else?
    Why oh why isn't there an one-to-one relation between letter and sound, like an alphabet should work actually?
    I take it you're not dyslexic then. People with even mild dyslexia (and there are quite a lot around, it doesn't necessarily reflect on their overall intelligence) find it hard enough to memorise the sequence of even phonetically regular spellings correctly; it's almost impossible for many dyslexic people to learn counter-intuitive spellings without useful little rules of this kind. As for the second part, sadly English has far too many different vowel sounds, foreign loan words, and competing authoritative standards for a comprehensive 1-1 correspondence for the whole language to be established now, if it ever was possible.

    Oh, it's worth remembering the full version of the rule. There are still a lot of exceptions, but at least many of the major and freqently encountered words are covered:

    "I before E except after C, or when sounding like "A" as in "neighbour" or "weigh".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    Why oh why isn't there an one-to-one relation between letter and sound, like an alphabet should work actually?
    For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet.

    The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later.

    Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.

    Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

    Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.

    Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

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