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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post

    (asumiendo que sos argentina)

    By the way, I am German and absolutely hate Oktoberfest. Not only because that kind of bacchanalia are a nightmare for this introvert but because it has become a celebration of Bavarian identity that people inside and outside the country increasingly confuse with German identity. It's okay if you are Bavarian but it's not my culture and I would feel like in a carneval disguise if I put on a dirndl. More and more people in other parts of the country dress up as Bavarians though. Must be part of an urge to recreate and/or appropriate a fictional common past and identity.

    Imagine folks from Maine dressing like a Texas cowboy and you get the idea.
    (Asumiendo (por el "sos") que conocés el español rioplatense... ¡Qué emoción! ) Yes, Argentine. Born and raised. ¡Orgullo argento! Do you speak Spanish/Rioplatense Spanish or this is a one-time thing?

    I know what you mean. I hate such parties (plus I don't drink alcohol, so I live in a 24/7 nightmare). Here, in one of the northern provinces (Córdoba) we have the second biggest Oktoberfest of the world (the first must be München's ). I think my situation is the opposite as yours. There, the people try to appropriate a tradition that, even if it's not national, it tries to be. In my case, people suppress the own identity because "if it's foreign and there's alcohol, it has to be ours too". I like that my country is open to other countries' traditions (also understandable because the country was built on the premise of immigration from all countries before WW1), but I absolutely hate when they neglect their own. Argentina likes partying, so at some point, all the celebrations that are ours but don't include getting wasted are replaced by fancy foreign celebrations that don't mean anything to us, an the others are just for the poor, old, conservative, boring people.

    To me it's sad that the only time the sense of community appears is when scoring goals in a football (soccer, whatever) match.

    Then, there are these hypocrites that don't care about history or tradition but come up with these stupid ideas for changing the language (unsurprisingly, those are the same who wear t-shirts with the face of "El Che" but only buy Apple products). So it's like a huge contradiction. Making the country completely un-globalized by making everything that is foreign in our own way (like changing whiskey for güisqui) and then deny all roots because it's "not cool". Seriously, I don't understand.

    (Sorry for the rant --though it's the Rant Thread, so I'm absolved, haha)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    By the way, I am German and absolutely hate Oktoberfest. Not only because that kind of bacchanalia are a nightmare for this introvert but because it has become a celebration of Bavarian identity that people inside and outside the country increasingly confuse with German identity. It's okay if you are Bavarian but it's not my culture and I would feel like in a carneval disguise if I put on a dirndl. More and more people in other parts of the country dress up as Bavarians though. Must be part of an urge to recreate and/or appropriate a fictional common past and identity.

    Imagine folks from Maine dressing like a Texas cowboy and you get the idea.
    Nationalism is so interesting.

    The Maine/Texas thing would NEVER happen (as you well know) because American unity basically requires expression of regional pride -- or at least the allowance of that. Whereas it seems like Germany and quite a few other European countries have internalized the opposite view.
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    I keep wanting to quote non-NSFW passages of "My Dad Wrote a Porno" (the podcast) at people, but almost none of my friends or coworkers have listened to it

    e.g. the other day we were talking about someone intriguing (I can't remember the context other than that), and I wanted to go: "Surely he has need for pots and pans!"


    Attn @Yamato Nadeshiko bc you're the only forum member who I know listens to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I keep wanting to quote non-NSFW passages of "My Dad Wrote a Porno" (the podcast) at people, but almost none of my friends or coworkers have listened to it

    e.g. the other day we were talking about someone intriguing (I can't remember the context other than that), and I wanted to go: "Surely he has need for pots and pans!"


    Attn @Yamato Nadeshiko bc you're the only forum member who I know listens to it
    Hahahaha! Oh my god more people need to listen to it! I'm almost caught up which is going to make me SO SAD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamato Nadeshiko View Post
    Hahahaha! Oh my god more people need to listen to it! I'm almost caught up which is going to make me SO SAD
    Same

    I'm putting off listening to the most recent episode because I don't want to say that I'm caught up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenErased View Post
    (Asumiendo (por el "sos") que conocés el español rioplatense... ¡Qué emoción! ) Yes, Argentine. Born and raised. ¡Orgullo argento! Do you speak Spanish/Rioplatense Spanish or this is a one-time thing?
    Lo que hablo es un castellano bastante castizo, una mezcla de diferentes influencias pq empezé a estudiarlo en EEUU, luego seguí en Alemania y en Espanya (sorry, mi teclado no tiene "enye") y luego había primero un novio mexicano y luego otro medio-argentino. Tambien tenía varios amigos latinoamericanos aca en la universidad de Heidelberg (la ciudad es chiquita pero hay una comunidad chilena, una comunidad colombiana considerable, etc. y todos parecen conocerse entre si). La mamá de ese ex-novio medio-argentino es de San Juan, pero se licenció en Buenos Aires, de ella aprendí algunos argentinismos - sobretodo maldiciones, obvio! El ex tambien tenía unos amigos portenyos (un poco pijos y muy de salir de marcha) asi que conozco el acento.

    Estoy conciente de que nadie habla así, pero con esa mezcla teoricamente podría acabar diciendo algo como "Che, el guey este está pololeando con una tía muy chevere" o "Hostia, no me chinges, boludo"

    I know what you mean. I hate such parties (plus I don't drink alcohol, so I live in a 24/7 nightmare). Here, in one of the northern provinces (Córdoba) we have the second biggest Oktoberfest of the world (the first must be München's ). I think my situation is the opposite as yours. There, the people try to appropriate a tradition that, even if it's not national, it tries to be. In my case, people suppress the own identity because "if it's foreign and there's alcohol, it has to be ours too". I like that my country is open to other countries' traditions (also understandable because the country was built on the premise of immigration from all countries before WW1), but I absolutely hate when they neglect their own. Argentina likes partying, so at some point, all the celebrations that are ours but don't include getting wasted are replaced by fancy foreign celebrations that don't mean anything to us, an the others are just for the poor, old, conservative, boring people.

    To me it's sad that the only time the sense of community appears is when scoring goals in a football (soccer, whatever) match.
    That reminds me of the old Quilmes tv ad:



    Then, there are these hypocrites that don't care about history or tradition but come up with these stupid ideas for changing the language (unsurprisingly, those are the same who wear t-shirts with the face of "El Che" but only buy Apple products). So it's like a huge contradiction. Making the country completely un-globalized by making everything that is foreign in our own way (like changing whiskey for güisqui) and then deny all roots because it's "not cool". Seriously, I don't understand.

    (Sorry for the rant --though it's the Rant Thread, so I'm absolved, haha)
    Interesting. But I wouldn't be surprised if that was a generational thing and also subject to strong ups and downs depending on certain political and economic factors. Do you observe this both in certain groups or all over the place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Lo que hablo es un castellano bastante castizo, una mezcla de diferentes influencias pq empezé a estudiarlo en EEUU, luego seguí en Alemania y en Espanya (sorry, mi teclado no tiene "enye") y luego había primero un novio mexicano y luego otro medio-argentino. Tambien tenía varios amigos latinoamericanos aca en la universidad de Heidelberg (la ciudad es chiquita pero hay una comunidad chilena, una comunidad colombiana considerable, etc. y todos parecen conocerse entre si). La mamá de ese ex-novio medio-argentino es de San Juan, pero se licenció en Buenos Aires, de ella aprendí algunos argentinismos - sobretodo maldiciones, obvio! El ex tambien tenía unos amigos portenyos (un poco pijos y muy de salir de marcha) asi que conozco el acento.
    Wow, así que hay mucha gente latinoamericana por Europa. Sabía que la gente se mudaba con frecuencia pero no sabía que había tanta como para formar comunidades. Tengo un amigo en Italia y me dijo exactamente lo mismo. Jajaja, las maldiciones (o puteadas, como les decimos acá) nunca están de más. De hecho, los porteños son bastante "pijos", como decís vos, y a todos les gusta la fiesta 24/7. En otras partes del país es igual pero no de manera tan exagerada. Si algún día querés practicar español (cualquiera de ellos), no tengo problema en ayudar

    Estoy conciente de que nadie habla así, pero con esa mezcla teoricamente podría acabar diciendo algo como "Che, el guey este está pololeando con una tía muy chevere" o "Hostia, no me chinges, boludo"
    Jajaja, te entiendo. En mi clase tengo a una compañera ecuatoriana y a otra española. Entre nosotras no nos entendemos. Hablamos del mismo objeto con palabras diferentes.

    Ecuatoriana: ¿Me pasas mi chompa?
    Yo: ¿Tu qué?
    Ecuatoriana: La chompa. Eso que está ahí.
    Yo: ¿Tu campera?
    Española: Creo que se refiere a su chaqueta.

    That reminds me of the old Quilmes tv ad:

    Yes. Quilmes has the monopoly of the emotional ads on TV, mostly for the World Cup. Also, I don't know if you know this, but apparently football players can't have sex during that season (to concentrate or something), so there's the tradition that the fans have sex for the players. Condoms ads everywhere. "For moral support", they say.

    My brother likes football a lot, so he took me to a match (I swear I didn't know what I was doing there, I thought I was going to end up raped by someone). I hate football, but I have to admit that, being among the fans, who are pouring themselves into this endeavour of becoming a huge mass of heads singing "raunchy" songs, supporting the players, that energy is contagious.

    But yes, I feel it's terrible that's the only time the "Argentinidad" is visible.. unless they want to rub it into someone's face --like saying all Argentine guys can get "minitas" (girls).

    Interesting. But I wouldn't be surprised if that was a generational thing and also subject to strong ups and downs depending on certain political and economic factors. Do you observe this both in certain groups or all over the place?
    This happens in certain groups... all over the place, haha I mean, it's not generational. Old people, young people... the more communist they claim to be, the more expensive gadgets they have (once I almost got hit for asking one of them how much they liked their Coke, haha). I used to celebrate Tradition Day at my ISTJ friend's palce, whose parents were Boy Scouts (that's the amount of tradition you need in a family to celebrate Tradition Day nowadays).
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    Uh mah goodness! The fake laughing and Pleasantville facade of some of the people in my office is sooo gross. It literally gives me the chills to overhear them.

    I've ranted about them before. They're just so annoying I feel a need to do it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiastic_Dreamer View Post
    Uh mah goodness! The fake laughing and Pleasantville facade of some of the people in my office is sooo gross. It literally gives me the chills to overhear them.

    I've ranted about them before. They're just so annoying I feel a need to do it again.
    i can't fake laugh, i need to learn. though i sort of laugh when others laugh automatically whether or not something is actually funny. i've been indoctrinated.
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