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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    In a social democracy, you wouldn't have a sizable chunk of wealth to put into social programs.

    You're assuming something about me that's untrue. Not going to explain myself. Ass-ume away!
    You're quite wrong about that, and if you knew anything about the various social democracies in the world, you'd realize the error in your statement.

    You're the one deciding that if people philosophically support social democracy (or democratic socialism) they must do it because they are poor or lower-middle class. That's entirely absurd.

    It's bullshit if people support social democracy for rational, ethical, big-picture reasons?

    Are you really an ENTJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    You're quite wrong about that, and if you knew anything about the various social democracies in the world, you'd realize the error in your statement.

    You're the one deciding that if people philosophically support social democracy (or democratic socialism) they must do it because they are poor or lower-middle class. That's entirely absurd.

    It's bullshit if people support social democracy for rational, ethical, big-picture reasons?

    Are you really an ENTJ?
    I don't think you know what socialism is, Marm. As for the rest, whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Personal wealth and socialism don't align. You can't gather personal wealth in a truly socialistic system.
    Wealth becomes less and less necessary as you go further and further in the same direction. You can make it as useless or difficult-to-attain as you (and by you I mean the citizenry) want it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    I don't think you know what socialism is, Marm. As for the rest, whatever.
    Your reasoning is really poor. I suggest you get your emotions and ego under control and actually use your thinking function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Wealth becomes less and less necessary as you go further and further in the same direction. You can make it as useless or difficult-to-attain as you (and by you I mean the citizenry) want it to be.
    Consider human nature. If you could "learn" all day, would you put your back into working when it gets you no benefit since everyone gets the same with or without working?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Your reasoning is really poor. I suggest you get your emotions and ego under control and actually use your thinking function.
    I still call b/s on your belief that you'd fully support a truly socialistic system if you were doing well financially and socially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Consider human nature. If you could "learn" all day, would you put your back into working when it gets you no benefit since everyone gets the same with or without working?
    But if one person isn't doing their best, the entire society suffers. This is unacceptable and immoral, and we should treat it as it is. Why would you propose that I not contribute? If I'm not working, the whole system isn't working. Specialization exacerbates this phenomenon, and we are a specialized society already. We may have a huge population, but everyone has specific tasks to do. You have probably experienced, in your life, a person who is not doing their job. These people are absolutely terrible. They are just as hated in a socialist society as they are in a capitalist society, and we know this. It isn't even something we should have to preach, it's simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    I still call b/s on your belief that you'd fully support a truly socialistic system if you were doing well financially and socially.
    And that's why I think there's a strong possibility that you can't possibly be ENTJ, because it indicates your judgement in this case is A) based on your own personal ethics, which you are projecting on to other people and B) based upon your own experience without examination of other people's experiences or larger, abstract systems.

    That is to say, you appear to be some horrible, irrational Si/Fi loop...which is more indicative of STJ or NFP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Come on Marm. You believe in honesty. Be honest. If you were doing extremely well financially and socially in the current environment, would you honestly be touting the benefits of socialism as much? If you say yes, my b/s meter will be whooping off the scales.
    Yes, I know I would.

    The bold part only tells me you probably aren't curious about how that might be possible.
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